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According to this website the 2 Witnesses came with Pre-Incarnate Jesus to Lot in Sodom & Gomorrah before it was Judged and destroyed! Here is an Amazing account THE TWO WITNESSES IN THE END TIME DRAMA As we come towards the consummation of this age men and angels will see a twofold witness from God. The nations will be under increasing stress. The principalities, powers and angelic rulers will recognize that their time is short. They will pull the strings of depraved and godless men. The end result will be that the nations will be raging. Increasingly they will find themselves coming against God Himself. First of all, they will also find themselves in a dramatic clash with Gods law and His righteousness as their armies press on towards Jerusalem. God Almighty will plead with the heathen as their armies muster at Armageddon. He will plead with the nations with pestilence and bloodshed. The end time drama upon the mountains of Israel involves Gods Holy City and the witness of YHVH-Gods righteous rule upon this earth. Secondly, the witness of Gods mercy and His grace will also be seen out in the nations. The 6th seal signs of the sun turning to darkness and the moon to blood will see the Holy Spirit outpouring coming to a climax at the very last day. And Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. (Joel 2:28-32) Yes, even in the midst of tribulation, the Gospel witness will go out to the ends of the earth. Francis Schaeffer spoke of the seemingly irreconcilable dichotomy between Gods Law and His Grace. But God will indeed bring it all together in Messiah at the end of the age. Yes, YHVH/Gods twofold witness will be seen in a magnificent way inside the Apocalypse. 1. The witness of His LAW will go out from His Holy City, And 2. The witness of His GRACE will go out in the Gospel from His Holy People scattered abroad. Then Messiah is coming to wrap things up. THE TWO WITNESSES AND THE 1260 DAYS The scriptures show the two witnesses as key players on earth and before the throne of God. The time of their ministry is precisely known. They minister during the Great Tribulation which is a period of 1260 days. So are these two witnesses two men who will come back to earth after a sojourn in heaven? Are they really men like Moses and Elijah or Enoch and Elijah? Are men these of the span of centuries caliber required to stand before the Lord YHweh, over all the earth and perhaps a wider cosmos? As we have been seeing, the two witnesses if they are individuals, (and there is good evidence that they are), may be joined by a wider company of Gods Elect who minister in the dual anointing encompassing these two witnesses. Certainly we can clearly see two distinct and complementary ministry burdens exercised by Gods witnesses in the end time. John said that Gods two witnesses will be ministering during the 1260 days of the latter half of the 70th Week. The dual witness will go out through Gods Elect during the very time frame of the Great Tribulation. So the two ministry burdens of the two witnesses seem to be, 1. Gods righteous rule or His Law, (the burden of Messianic believers out of national Israel). 2. Gods grace in the Gospel, (the burden of the church). As we have discussed, the prophet Daniel brings an important point to bear on this discussion. The angel Gabriel told Daniel that the 70 weeks were cut out of time for two distinct purposes. The witness goes out on behalf of Gods Holy nation/Holy City. And the witness also goes out on behalf of Gods Holy People. THE TWO WITNESSES STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH. A GOOD CASE IS NOW BEING PUT FORTH BY ELDER Max W. Mader of avoiceinthe wilderness.org THAT THESE TWO ANOINTED ONES CANNOT BE MEN BUT ARE THE TWO CHERUBIM FEATURED ON THE ARK OF THE COVENANT AS WITNESSES TO THE BLOOD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THE MERCY THAT IS SPRINKLED UPON THE MERCY SEAT AND THAT THESE ARE THE TWO ANGELS MICHAEL, (WHO UPHOLDS THE NATION OF ISRAEL IN RIGHTEOUSNESS), AND GABRIEL, (WHO IS UPHOLDING THE MERCY OF GOD IN HIS WORD AND GOSPEL THAT GOES OUT TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH). Late in 2013 I was asked again about the two witnesses. As I was researching online to see if anyone had some further Biblical information that might be worth considering I came upon an article by Canadian Elder Max. W. Mader. He made quite a convincing case for these two witnesses being angels and not men at all. The Mp3 of Mr. Maders sermon can be accessed by clicking on the button to the right. I must say that I had never heard this explanation before but as I looked at the two cherubim this was certainly a dual witness element another case of two witnesses laid out for us in Holy Scripture. It was one I had not considered. Can angels take on human form? As such can they be killed? We know that the two witnesses will be killed at the end of their witness which is congruous with the 1260 day, 42 Biblical month, 3.5 Biblical year time period of the Great Tribulation. This is clearly stated in Revelation 11:2-4. I had not considered that possibility before. Will they join the rest of the martyrs who have died for the witness of Messiah our God? Does not the word witness in Greek mean martyr? The two witnesses are destined to become two martyrs. They will be lying in the streets for 3.5 days before rising on their feet and ascending into heaven. Can such things happen to angels, Gods two covering archangels no less? The story of Abrahams three visitors astounded me when I realized who they were. I must say I was humbled to see that God Himself holds Himself accountable to two angelic witnesses and insists upon their presence before Him before He performs His great acts of judgment here below. When I realized that these two witnesses had taken on human form and came to earth before I was amazed. Why had I not seen that before? Two witnesses had attended the pre-incarnate Christ before He enacted another great judgment of God, that being the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Those three men that came to visit Abraham on their way to evaluate the situation in those two wicked cities were Messiah and His two angelic witnesses! I was blown away by clear and evident consideration of the issues of justice and the mercy by our God before He brings down His judgments. So who are these two witnesses? Throughout the Holy Scriptures and especially in the book of Daniel the guardian angel of the nation Israel and the upholder of His righteousness was the archangel Michael. And the angel of Gods throne who brings Gods Holy Word to Gods covenant people is the angel Gabriel. It seems that both of them accompanied and attended the pre-incarnate Christ as He came to visit Gods friend Abraham and talk things over with him. Abraham asked God to spare the city if He could find 10 righteous men. There were just Lot and his family. But God and His two witnesses personally took Lot and his family by the hand got them out of there before the city was destroyed. Such is the righteousness and the abundant mercy of God. What and incredible God we have! This dual witness up in the angelic real has been the missing piece of the puzzle of the two witnesses. There up in the 3rd heaven and coming down across the chasm to earth we see the dual witness for law and grace, righteousness and mercy. This is reflected further down here on earth in the vision of the two olive trees that Zechariah saw and wrote about in Zechariah chapter 4. We also see the dual anointing of the Order of Melchizedek, who was High Priest and King of Salem, the place of Gods peace. Messiah heads up both offices. This is further exemplified by the two sticks of Ezekiel 37, the Law-Grace feud we see in the Breach of Jeroboam and continuing blood feud which is the fracture line in the Kingdom of God that ws seen in the former times and continues in the Church vs. Jewish Israel misunderstanding we see today. So the two Sabbath candles of witness are lit every Sabbath by the Jewish ladies. They pray a prayer for reunion and restoration under Yhweh-God. Please have a listen to Max W. Maders Mp3. Check out the Scriptures and pray for discernment in the matter. Remember if we as born-again blood bought Christians are in the Commonwealth or citizenship of Israel we can expect that we too are in just as much partial blindness as are our Jewish brethren from the royal House of Judah. Remember too that if we are grafted in to Israel this did not come by DNA or race. No, not at all. It comes by Grace, not by race. It comes by the precious blood of Jesus. In Ephesians 2:12-13 we see that His blood brings us nigh into the Commonwealth or Citizenship of Israel. This Commonwealth of Israel is both the restored nation of Israel and a Congregation or Church of Israel. Both witnesses are present and overseeing both houses of Israel. Can we see this? The Church came out of Israel nearly 2,000 years ago. The birth of the Church came on Israels birthday on the Day of Pentecost in the passion year. It came as an overflow out of Israel. The true Church has ignored Origen, Nicaea, and Augustine and never left Israel. Under the ministry of the two witnesses Messiah will take national Israel, (the royal Jewish House of Judah), and reunite it with the remnant Church, the Congregation of Israel. Together they will become a single remnant Elect. The two sticks of Ezekiel 37 will be one in the hand of Messiah. God will accomplish this magnificent restoration in the latter days. We know this for a certainty because in 1Peter 2:9 and in Exodus the royalty of the nation is applied to the Priesthood and the holiness is applied to the Nation. Both Moses and the Apostle Peter spoke of a royal priesthood and a holy nation or nation of priests. THE TWO WITNESSES OF WHO STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH MINISTER TO REGATHER AND TO RESTORE ISRAEL ND THE CHURCH AS A SINGLE CONGREGATION AND NATION, THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL. GODS ELECT ARE DESTINED TO BECOME A SINGLE UNIFIED ROYAL PRIESTHOOD AND A HOLY NATION In the last days the scriptures show us only one Elect. Gods Elect, His Chosen, are one single united confluent company drawn from both sides of Calvary. They are a called out company, an ekklesia, a congregation a church a synagogue. And so they come into Gods great Congregation. They come from national Israel and from out of the gentile (heathen) nations. Many will fall away in the persecutions under the harlot during the first 3.5 years and under the 666 Antichrist during the second 3.5 years of the 70th Week. But the Apocalypse sees the covenant people of Abraham, Judah, and Joseph come together as a single refined remnant. The remnant of Israel and the remnant Church become one and the same. This is the magnificent completed Congregation and Nation of Israel the Old Testament prophet/poets saw. The wild branches and the natural branches have been grafted back into the olive tree. (Rom.11) Here is another valuable clue as to what God intends to do in uniting all His people. God does not say Israel is to become a royal nation and a holy priesthood. Notice, Moses and Peter cross over the attribute royal and apply it to the priesthood. And they cross over the attribute of holy and apply it to the nation. Israel has at last become a royal priesthood and a holy nation. (1Pet.2:9) Read the entire article at the website! attached endtimepilgrim.org/twowit.htm
Posted on: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:44:27 +0000

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