WORSHIP THE KING... WORSHIP THE FATHER Rabbi Gutman Locks Conversation With Pastor https://youtube/watch?v=GZW-NKGXFGg&index=2&list=TL2vHrUT8AhoCEYyKrm3r0EVUWAQMB5yHd Hello Joel, hello Rabbi Gutman.... Gutman....How can I help you today? Pastor.... Well we are looking for an honest response to the teachings of Jesus. Gutman... Alright , ok.... let me explain to you an honest response.... let me use a little story to explain it. Gutman.... Once upon a times there was a King, the most special, beloved King you could ever imagine, now this King has many, many children, but for some reason one of his children became the most famous and much of the population called him the Prince. One day the King and the Prince came to a village and the whole village got so excited they went out and welcomed the Prince. How do you think the King felt? The man you call Yeshua, this guy, he said... this is how you pray... Our Father.... You guys are focusing on a man and you are forgetting G-d, the Father. Pastor.... Let me ask you this... Jesus said of this...Before Abraham was I Am.... Why did people pick up stones to stone him when he said that? Gutman.... It says in the Torah.... You should know this day and take it to your heart, the LORD is G-d, in the Heaven above and the earth below, there is nothing else. There is nothing besides G-d. G-d is The I AM. Over in Hinduism they say... that man is god. That is idolatry. G-d is ALL. Pastor.....So it is idolatry for a man to claim to be G-d? Gutman.... G-d is ALL. If he says it is All G-d including me, that is not idolatry. G-d is unlimited. G-d is Infinite. That man is not infinite, he is limited. Pastor.... Do you believe that Jesus kept the Sabbath? Gutman.... He said he didnt according to that Book. In Mosess time a man broke the Sabbath by gathering sticks. They asked of G-d what they should do... in those days a person would be killed for doing such at thing. Now in that Book that you have he went and picked plants on Sabbath, and he said man is greater then the Sabbath, but Sabbath is here for man. Pastor.... he claimed that he was the lord of the Sabbath.... Gutman... Hunha....ok so now, we have the Bible that says dont pick plants on the Sabbath, then we have this man come along and say, its ok. Now am I going to accept him? Look what happened... you dont have to go by faith anymore...every single Jew that followed that religion or belief, now his grandchildren are Luke and John and they are not Jews anymore. Your belief spells, G-d forbid, the destruction of my people, and that I dont want. Pastor..... So another thing that Jesus did, they brought him a man and they laid him before him and he was crippled. And he said to the man ... your sins are forgiven. And that was called blasphemy ... why? Gutman.... Well because a man cannot forgive another mans sins.... G-d has to forgive the persons sins. I could say your sins are forgiven. Whats the proof of that? Pastor... And that teaching, bottom line is the core. Before Abraham was I AM, forgiving sins, I am greater then the Temple, I and the Father are One.... What he is doing is he is claiming to be G-d. Correct? Gutman... I lived in India for two years, and over there they say when you become god you say... I am god. I have seen it over there.... talk about thousands and thousands of people. He is not the only one that came up to that conclusion. Pastor... Sure Gutman.... Now we dont come up and say I am god.... but we understand the Truth and we say... G-d is All including me. Big difference. This argument has been going on for 2,000 years. I dont think I am going to change your mind, you are a Pastor of a church, you have your Book, you have your way of understanding. You are going to keep on saying what you want it to say. What I would like for you to learn, you are a decent human being, go to the Father, go to the KING. You are always focusing... I read.... you say you are hear only to serve Yeshua, you are here only to serve him. Serve the Father, Serve the King, He is the ONE, HE is the Creator of all. Pastor.... I believe that his teachings were true, that he is G-d who became man and took on a body, for the purpose of sacrificing, to be sacrificed as a Passover Lamb for the forgiveness of my sins. Gutman... The Torah tells us, clearly, No man will die for another mans sins the father wont die for the sons sins and the son wont die for the fathers sins. The Bible tells us this. Then you come along and tell me that this man died for somebody elses sins. That contradicts the Torah. Pastor.... The other thing that he said, of the scripture or the Torah is he said that, that in it people search for eternal life, but his claim was that the Torah and Scripture were about him personally and that in him is eternal life. Gutman... Ok, let me... we are going to do what I told you.. we are never going to solve the problem.... Let me give you an example..... OK.... We have the Prophet Malachi. He is a trust worthy Prophet. And he said like this, Elijah was going to come and usher in the age of the Messiah and HE is going to bring Peace between the father and the son, and the children and the father. In your Book Yeshua says I did not come to bring peace between the father and son I came here to bring war. Now you are asking me to believe him over the Prophet. The Prophet said I come to bring peace in the family, and he said I did not come to bring peace, I came to bring war. Now how can I believe such a man? What am I going to throw away the whole Torah, the whole Bible, our whole life? Pastor.... Well what is your take on the Messiah, are you expecting a Messiah from studying your Scriptures? Gutman.... Any minute. Any minute. Please G-d right now and when he comes, the Temple will come and there will be Peace in the world. But we dont have the Temple, we dont have peace so we know he has not come. Pastor.... And is that a thing with Jesus is that he did not free Israel from the Roman Empire? Gutman... That is a small problem. He didnt bring peace to the world, he didnt bring the Temple. Pastor.... What if he still will? Gutman..... Ok, I tell you what, I will prove that I am the Messiah for your right now. I will do any miracle you want, just tell me what you want. Right now on the spot. Tell me pick one... pick a good one. Pastor..... Ah lets see... the Temple is destroyed ... raise it in three days.... Gutman.... OK...Ill do it next time when I come back ... OK? Alright. Pastor... laughed.... Gutman.... What I am waiting for is what is called the Revelation of G-ds Presence. This is what we are here for to see G-d Himself now. Please the Temple will come, Please G-d the Messiah, Please G-d all these things.... I want Peace in the World, but I am only going to be here for a little while longer then I am going to leave this world. I want to see G-d. I want to see G-ds Presence. Serve the Father.... Serve the King. Pastor.... OK.... Gutman.... Have a good life Joel. Pastor... Thank you
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