Abby Mendez Do you see how taqqiya is used or how moderates do not understand the quran? i will give you another example of a verse you heard before on this page: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. - Quran 2:256ie to you your religion and to me mine - A very famous misinterpreted verse, actually referring to people in other religions converting to Islam.Narrated Abdullah ibn AbbasWhen the children of a woman (in pre-Islamic days) did not survive, she took a vow on herself that if her child survives, she would convert it a Jew. When Banu an-Nadir were expelled (from Arabia), there were some children of the Ansar (Helpers) among them. They said: We shall not leave our children. So Allah the Exalted revealed; Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error.Abu Dawud 14:2676 Ibn Kathir in the version of his tafsir abridged by Sheikh Muhammad Nasib Ar-Rafa‘i, has this to say (note that this portion has not been translated by Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri who is responsible for the abridged version of Tafsir Ibn Kathir widely available on the internet):Allah says: There is no compulsion in religion, meaning: do not force anyone to embrace Islam, because it is clear and its proofs and evidences are manifest. Whoever Allah guides and opens his heart to Islam has indeed embraced it with clear evidence. Whoever Allah misguides blinds his heart and has set a seal on his hearing and a covering on his eyes cannot embrace Islam by force...hence Allah revealed this verse. But, this verse is abrogated by the verse of fighting...Therefore, all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizya they should be fought till they are killed. This is the meaning of compulsion. In the Sahih, the Prophet said: Allah wonders at those people who will enter Paradise in chains, meaning prisoners brought in chains to the Islamic state, then they embrace Islam sincerely and become righteous, and are entered among the people of Paradise. So as you can see this verse has nothing to do with tolerance of other beliefs. (yet the moderate/taqqiya practising muslim will tell you otherwise) another example: To you be your way, and to me mine quran 109:1-6 VerseSay: O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship,Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.Quran 109:1-6The Meaning of the VerseThere was a time in Makkah when although a storm of opposition had arisen in the pagan society of Quraish against the message of Islam preached by the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace), yet the Quraish chiefs hall not yet lost hope that they would reach some sort of a compromise with him. Therefore, from time to time they would visit him with different proposals of compromise so that he accepted one of them and the dispute between them was brought to an end.. . .If the Surah is read with this background in mind, one finds that it was not revealed to preach religious tolerance as some people of today seem to think, but it was revealed in order to exonerate the Muslims from the disbelievers religion, their rites of worship, and their gods, and to express their total disgust and unconcern with them and to tell them that Islam and kufr (unbelievers ; you and i are either infidels or kufar) had nothing in common and there was no possibility of their being combined and mixed into one entity. Although it was addressed in the beginning to the disbelieving Quraish in response to their proposals of compromise, yet it is not confined to them only, but having made it a part of the Quran, Allah gave the Muslims the eternal teaching that they should exonerate themselves by word and deed from the creed of kufr wherever and in whatever form it be, and should declare without any reservation that they cannot make any compromise with the disbelievers in the matter of Faith. That is why this Surah continued to be recited when the people to whom it was addressed as a rejoinder, had died and been forgotten, and those Muslims also continued to recite it who were disbelievers at the time it was revealed, and the Muslims still recite it centuries after they have passed away, for expression of disgust with and dissociation from kufr and its rites is a perpetual demand of Faith.Commentary on Quran Chapter 109:1-6Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, Tafhim al-QuranConclusionAs with verse 2:256 which is also a favorite of Muslim apologists, this popular verse has nothing to do with tolerance of other beliefs. another example is this, of the moderate muslim who spreads by taqqiya (not telling you the full truth about abrogations i.e. and makes his dawaa is a verse like this one, superseded or abrogated but they wont tell you or they do not know: But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). Quran 8:61 Meaning of VerseAbrogation (Naskh) refers to one Quranic verse superseding another, and is itself supported by Quranic verses and various hadith narrations. According to Ibn ‘Abbās (Muhammads Cousin) verse 8:61 has been replaced by another well known verse. ‘This has been abrogated (superseded) by the “sword verse” [Q. 9:5]’Surat Al-Anfāl (The Spoils of War) 8:61Ibn Abbas in Tafsir Ibn Abbas and Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Suyuti)And here is that verse in full. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Quran 9:5 Notice that it says if they REPENT, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them. The only way a non-believer can repent and establish regular prayers, is by converting to Islam. Muhammad also said, fighting must go on even after it stops.(Until the war lays down its burden.) Mujahid said: Until `Isa bin Maryam (peace be upon him) descends. It seems as if he derived this opinion from the Prophets saying, There will always be a group of my Ummah victorious upon the truth, until the last of them fight against Ad-Dajjal.) Imam Ahmad recorded from Jubayr bin Nufayr who reported from Salamah bin Nufayl that he went to the Messenger of Allah and said, I have let my horse go, and thrown down my weapon, for the war has ended. There is no more fighting. Then the Prophet said to him, Now the time of fighting has come. There will always be a group of my Ummah dominant over others. Allah will turn the hearts of some people away (from the truth), so they (that group) will fight against themThe Command to strike the Enemies NecksTafsir Ibn KathirConclusionVerse 8:60 is no longer applicable to Muslims and many scholars agree.It is the consensus of the scholars of this Ummah that if part of the religion is Allahs and other part is not, fighting must go on until the entire religion is Allahs. Ibn Taymiyyah (scholar Jihad and the rifle alone. NO negotiations, NO conferences and NO dialogue.in the book Join The Caravan, p9 (scholar) Sheikh Abdullah Yusuf Azzam sSo, if the fighting stops, the disbelievers will dominate, and fitnah, which is Shirk (polytheism), will spread.Join The Caravan, p20 - Sheikh Abdullah Yusuf Azzam I hope these examples give you a clear idea about the moderate muslim - if there is a moderate muslim, if he/she really exists then the only way to is leave islam, there is no way to remain moderate in islam and be able to argue reforms from the inside, you will be killed , islam does not allow for for questioning it - it is the direct word of god and has to be accepted in its entirety, NO CHERRY PICKING . indeed these are the words of islamic scholar and former president of the islamic republic of iran ayatollah khomeini on the moderate muslim : Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword. The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim. I hope this clarifies the misconception about the moderate muslim - i urge you all to spend some time on ali sinas website :alisina.org - RF Ali Sina reveals Islam and Prophet Muhammad alisina.org A gleaning from the writings of Ali Sina exposes Islam as a totalitarian political movement in the guise of religion and a threat to human civilization Ali Sina reveals Islam and Prophet Muhammad alisina.org A gleaning from the writings of Ali Sina exposes Islam as a totalitarian political movement in the guise of religion and a threat to human civilization Today Maxi Maxwell 10:43am Maxi Maxwell wow abby , how long did it take u to write that lol thanx Abby Mendez 10:44am Abby Mendez I didnt write it but I know all about moderate Muslims and they do not exist. That was written by an ex Muslim Maxi Maxwell 10:46am Maxi Maxwell Abby Mendez 10:46am Abby Mendez All my friends know who I am, all my edl friends know who I am. I too am an ex Muslim and I know First hand there is no such thing as an ex Muslim, either you are in or you are out; No in between Bullshit and no cherry picking No such thing as a moderate Muslim I mean Maxi Maxwell 10:49am Maxi Maxwell exactly what im saying about admins being friends with muslims and admins believing in moderate islam Abby Mendez 10:49am Abby Mendez I saw your post and you are 100% correct If you have edl members who have muslim friends then they are a threat. They do not belong in the edl Maxi Maxwell 10:50am Maxi Maxwell can you please write on my wall what you have just told me here in message, let people know there is no moderate islam . thanks Abby Mendez 10:51am Abby Mendez Take what I sent you and post it on your status Copy n paste it You need to do it My family do not know that I have left Islam. If I am found out they will kill me Im passing this onto you Please share what I sent you I can only help you from behind the curtain, I must not be exposed. Do you understand me? Xx Maxi Maxwell 10:57am Maxi Maxwell ok abby thankyou, respect xx Abby Mendez 10:57am Abby Mendez Thank you xx You will catch me saying things about Islam here and there but I have 2 other accts where I post freely and safely. I try not to use this one. Sent from Messenger AN EX MUSLIM FRIEND SENT ME THIS IN A MESSAGE THIS MORNING. PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ IT
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