Bashar - Five Factions of Greys Questioner: Good day. Ive been reading an author thats writing about mind control experiments... Bashar: Mind control experiments. Q: ...by the shadow government. B: /Shadow/ government, yes? Q: Ive been reading an author that claims that many, if not most of the abduction experiences with medical experiments by greys, and so on, are really screen memories induced by regular old terrestrial government type? B: Regular old terrestrial government type? Q: Yes B: Some of them are, not most, some. Q: One of his piece of evidence is his logic that many of the experiments, the method, the medical methods used by the Greys, for example, are so primitive compared to where they should be given the technological advancements, supposed advancement of the species, that, that is really a give away, showing that it is really humans? B: No, not necessarily so. Q: Then why do these medical techniques seem so barbaric in many instances, and why is there so much pain if they are so advanced? B: First of all do not necessarily make the assumption that they are as advanced as you might think on every level. You must understand that many societies will take a science only to the level that it serves them and no farther. Many times you will find especially in the circumstances regarding Greys that because they did created in their society a devolution you understand? Q: Yes B: And did in a sense destroy their societal structure and evolve into the form that they are now. They will also have sacrificed certain portions of their ancient technologies and will have recreated them only to a certain degree that serves their agendas. The idea also to understand is that many of them are simplistic, why not necessarily needing to be any more advanced because they simply do the job that they want them to do. They have no reason to advanced the technique if they can get what they want with what they have. You could say that it is not so much not advanced, as economical. You understand? Though we are not implying that they have an economy like your planet but the idea is that they will only go as far as they need to because that is the way that their mentality is structured. So if they can invent a long pointy stick that will puncture a hole and extract the fluids they need they have no reason to bother with anything else, you follow? Q: Would that also include that fact that if they feel like they are going to screen out the memory of the experience they feel like then they dont have to bother about the pain? B: In some senses, yes, that might be said to be an extension of their so called technology. In other words, as you have said since ultimately they believe it will not matter to you, then why bother to invent something that they can do simply with their minds. Knowing that no matter what you go though in the meantime you wont remember. Thats their logic, Im not saying that it is right or wrong, I not saying its what you may prefer that is simply their logic. Yes, does that help illuminate the idea a little bit? Q: Well it does, the last question then would be but surly by now they realized that their methods of making people forget the pain are not fool proof, and many people are experiencing pain. So why dont they... B: Yes they are beginning to realize that: and you will understand that if you actually take, now in what you would call your contemporary day and age, a modern cross section of interviews of individuals, who are having those experiences, you will find that the quality of many of the experiences have changed. Sometimes however there will still be individuals who will report certain things but you must always be cautious to understand what it is theyre actually saying and why? I am not, again, in any way shape or form, justifying any particular approach on any level or on behalf of anyone but sometimes an individual will report something that may seem still to be a very scary, very frightening experience but it may be because they are simply frightened and it may not really be because of anything that is being done to them but they may amplify that and imagine that they have suffered more than they actually have. Again I am not trying to excuse away anything that may have been done that would in a sense, perhaps, be better accomplished through mutual agreement, but nevertheless you have to take into account all the factors in every case to really understand what is going on in the evolution of the process, its not always black and white and cut and dry just based on what someone might actually remember or think has happened to them. You understand? Q: I do. B: But overall you will find, if you will do the research and take a cross section, the quality of the interactions has changed because the agenda has changed and many of the greys over time have learned, have learned and have absorbed the understanding that different techniques are required, and that they have in some cases acquiesced to allow the experience to be, if not more enjoyable, then certainly less painful, but again you must understand they are as far as you are concerned an alien consciousness - they have their own logic, they have their own agenda, and they do not see things as your people do, especially not in the emotional areas and thus, then, sometimes what kinds of things your species may required to feel- that some form of sociological etiquette has been recognized, they may simply have no clue should even exist. In the same way, and again this is not a judgment nor a justification but if you will simply look at what many of your own scientists do to many of the animals on your planet I think you will get the point . How far do they go out of their way to make these animals comfortable when they are burrowing into their heads with drills? Do you follow me? Q: I do. B: They have their agenda and they think that what they are doing is for the good of humanity and in some senses maybe it is, but they havent yet arrived at the level where they can understand that there are other ways to extract the information that they need. As such remember the Greys are in their own way, a reflection of your society in its contemporary evolutionary state thats why youve attracted yourselves to each other in the way that you have, into the relationships that you have. They need things you have, you need things they have. You have drawn yourselves to each other to reflect to each other that in a sense you are both in your own ways at a certain stage of evolution -- that on one level for you and for another level for them, is not necessarily very advanced. They may have higher technologies in certain areas, but you have great advancement in understanding individuated emotionality balance that they have absolutely no comprehension of except to understand that they need it and they understand enough that they must, genetically engineer it into the hybrids that they are creating in order that they can then be more than they are. You follow? Q: Yes I do. B: So it is really not just a simple black and white picture and you must understand that even within the greys there are actually many different factions that have slightly different agendas and slightly different ways of looking at things. You can not just say the GREYS and why are THEY this are not that, anymore than you can say the HUMANS why are they not this and not that because you know that every human individual is very different. It may not be down to an individual level for the Greys but there are a large collectives within the greys that might function as a slightly different individuated agenda for another collective within the greys. Therefore even they are at odds with each other over certain issues as to exactly how to handle this overall agenda of whatever it is they are doing for their society for any given moment. You follow? Q: Yes, Im wondering how many different agendas and groups might there be? B: Within the overall collective of the greys there are actually five different agendas. Q: Could you summarize what the differences are? B: Yes: one will be, as has been said, a more advanced level of the greys, what you might call a more futurized level of the Greys. One will be one more contemporary to you, and one will be much more primitive in terms of time frame. Three different time frames of greys interacting with each other because they have the ability to slip through inter-dimensional time- talk about confusion. But because they are of one mind it is not necessarily as confusing for them as it might be for all of you on an individual level. The other two have to do with fluctuations within the more primitive and moderate or middle level of Greys. The futuristic Greys are relatively cohesive in their understanding of what they are doing, but in the contemporary level and in the more primitive level there are also splits about how to go about doing what they are doing; whether or not even to go about doing what they are doing? With regard with their relationship to you, your relationship to them and the whole idea of the creation of the hybrids in terms of what that ultimately will do for them, for you and so forth. There are in their eyes many different important issues to discuss with regard to what it is and why it is they are even interacting with you. Does this make some sense? Q: It does. B: The number five has to do with the number of humanity and thus this is what they are exploring, in their own way, is opening the gateway, of what for lack of a better term might be something that you would recognize as the reclamation of their humanity-so to speak. You follow? Q: Yes B: Thus they are dealing in a sense with a faction that for the most part would be very similar to the concept of simply the more primitive functions of the brain on a very primal primeval level they are dealing with a part of their collective that has to do with the concept of the absorption and integration of emotionality. They are dealing with the part that has to do with the absorption, integration, and balance of intellectuality. They are dealing with a part that has to do with integration of the bodily forms and they are dealing with the part that has to do with the integration of the etheric or the spirit on very different levels and in very different ways than humanity is doing it even though humanity is also integrating all those things on an individual level for each and everyone of you in your own unique individual pattern. Does that make any sense to you? Q: Yes Im wondering if any particular one of those groups is prevailing over the others or are they all working together? B: In some senses they have an innate underlying understanding that they do have to ultimately all balance together and fit into the appropriate slots somehow. There might be a little jostling here and there among the five groups now and then for exactly what that should mean, but powerfully that they have an underlying desire for the manifestation of any particular agenda. That would be one lesson your people could learn well from them - to focus on the outcome or the desire for a resolution more that exactly how it is you think your suppose to get there or which agenda is more right than another. So while they have some jostling they have a stronger sense of desiring a ultimate resolution. You follow? Q: Yes, do any of them have a formal relations with any of the elements of our government. B: Not any more. There was a time when there was to some degree what you might recognize as a formal relation with a moderate group, the middle group, a portion of the middle group, but shall we just put it colloquially in your language--things didnt go well. You follow? Q: Well, I do. Id like to hear... can you say anymore about when that dissolved? B: In general terms it lasted about ten of your years generally speaking you would find it would be about between your early fifties to your mid sixties, early sixties, basically. There were a few splinter interactions that happened and even beyond that but for the most part that was the largest body, ten to fifteen of your years of the major interactions that occurred but then it was seen that the agendas did not really match as each side thought that they might and thus in that sense it fell apart for a variety of reasons that we will not go into detail about right now. All right? Q: Thank you very much. B: Thank you.
Posted on: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:11:33 +0000
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