Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Yesterday at 8:07am · . THE APOSTLE PAUL VERSUS CHRISTIAN TITHING The Apostle Paul never tithed, never taught Gentiles to tithe, never collected tithes, and never accepted tithes. Can anyone imagine what Paul would have said had someone come up to him and offered him $100 saying: Here Paul, here is my payment according to the tithing law with regards to my thousand-dollar paycheck. I don’t know what his exact words would be, but I have studied the writings of Paul, and I can tell you what he would have said in principle: Sir, MONEY is not a tithable commodity. Furthermore, tithes can be paid to the Levitic priests only, and I am not a Levite, I am from the Tribe of Benjamin. Furthermore, as a believer in Jesus Christ, you are also freed from the law of Moses. Jesus Christ has taught us that, ‘FREELY you have received, FREELY give. One cannot give ‘freely’ that which is demanded by law. I am sorry, but I cannot accept money that is given out of obligation to a law. Jesus has freed us from carnal ordinances, and whom Jesus has freed, ‘is FREE indeed.’ Now then, give that same $100 to any number of priests of Christendom, and one might receive this retort: Well, if this $100 is your tithe, where is your offering? Don’t you know that the tithe is commanded and demanded by law? You have only given me what is commanded by law of you to give. You have not really given me anything until you give me money in excess of your tithes Well, what more can I say about that? UnlikeUnlike · · Share You like this. . 50 of 84 View previous comments .. Larry Darnell Rembert III Paul said it is the custom of Gods church. Yesterday at 8:37pm · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Paul said it is the custom of Gods church. - WHERE? Yesterday at 8:38pm · Like .. Larry Darnell Rembert III 1 Corinthians Ch 11 verse 16. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice nor do the churches of God. Yesterday at 8:40pm · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen AND WHERE DOSE HE MENTION TITHING IN THEIR????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Yesterday at 8:42pm · Like .. Larry Darnell Rembert III I was talking about the veil, not tithing. Yesterday at 8:49pm · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen AGAIN - AND WHERE DOSE HE MENTION TITHING IN THEIR????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Yesterday at 8:57pm · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Please answer Larry!!! Yesterday at 8:58pm · Like .. Larry Darnell Rembert III We have a study called Blessings through Tithing. Hebrews Ch 7 verse 1-3. Yesterday at 9:01pm · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Your cult is deceiving you for your money!!! 24 hrs · Like .. Larry Darnell Rembert III Very well. Johnny. Peace be with you friend. 23 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen And You also/I love you no matter what it just hurts me to see you being taken advantage of like that... 23 hrs · Like .. Larry Darnell Rembert III Advantage of? By what way do you think that? 23 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Sometimes I am hard on you because I love you so deeply and am trying to pull you out of the fire!!! 23 hrs · Like · 1 .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Their is no such thing as the practice under the new covenant!!! 23 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov If Jesus frees you from any law in the Torah. That would put him in violation of Deuteronomy 13. This means that he is not the messiah but a false prophet. The hypocrisy here is tithing in the church while eating a bacon sandwich afterwards. At one point you are somewhat obedient and the next you blaspheme the word of Hashem. I am not with you on this one Johnny nor am I with the one you are fighting with. You are both wrong. 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen I am not saying that the Law has been abolished for the 10 commandments are a short version of the 613 but the council at Jerusalem freed us gentiles from many parts of that Witten Law brother or at least this is how I see it/I keep the Sabbath and I eat no meat at all keep the Passover and despise all Roman catholic paganism as you already know but things like tithing animal sacrifices temple worship and rituals and many other things I do not do or do you yourself believe these laws are still in effect? I try to walk as obedient to the living word of the most high as I possibly can please enlighten me in exactly what laws the gentiles or Jews for that matter are bound by/I love you brother... 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen The whole point here is there is no tithing system under the new covenant or would you disagree with that? the tithing law found in the Torah has been abolished there is no more temple and only one high priest we ourselves are the walking living breathing temple of Yeshua I keep Gods laws to the best of my ability because his laws are written in my mind and in my heart some things you precious Jewish brethren are bound by we gentiles have been set free from PLEASE SEE ACT CH 15 not even the Jews in Israel practice tithing today but isent that part of the written Torah law? 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen we are under a NEW COVENANT? you cant go back and open an old covenant that God himself closed over 2000 years ago and pull out OT Scriptures to threaten NT Christians but thats exactly whats happening here Brother..... 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen if you can prove me wrong Ill stand corrected!!! 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen quote - The hypocrisy here is tithing in the church while eating a bacon sandwich afterwards} you need to seriously study NT scripture Brother you cant live under two different covenants the first one was done away with because it failed miserably!!! King James Bible For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hebrews 8:7 Please tell my why the first one failed so miserably brother? 11 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov First of all the covenant with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, are they all different covenants or are they the same but improved covenants? 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. The Council at Jeruslem Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. 3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORDJesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 11 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.....Yeshua Now, has all been fulfilled? Has heaven an earth passed away? No 11 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov This yoke we can not bear is the oral law Johnny 11 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov Like washing your hands before you eat. Oral law. 11 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov Mixing meat and milk ban...oral law 11 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Are the Jews today doing animal sacrifices/practicing tithing to support their synagogues if not you are breaking Gods Torah!!! 11 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov They are not doing so because the Temple is no longer in service. However, the temple service will resume and we will perform this miztvot at that time as told by Zechariah in chapter 14. 10 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen I am full well a wear of that brother!!! - Hebrews 8 King James Version (KJV) 8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;...See More 10 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov As for circumcision, it is a sign not a prerequisite for salvation. Just as you keep Shabbot it is a sign to me that you are my brother. 10 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen ok I will no longer consider myself your brother if thats what you want but I love you no matter what... Shalom 10 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov I guess we really dont have much of a disagreement then I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. Unless his laws have changed. Last time I checked he changes not. 10 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov Keeping the commandments does not give you salvation Johnny it never has. However keeping them is a sign that you are His. 10 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen I keep his commandments from the heart because I want to please my heavenly father and his commandments are not a burden to me but there is no tithing system under the new covenant for the NT church point blank and that is what this thread is all about... 10 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen my post states - I am sorry, but I cannot accept money that is given out of obligation to a law. Jesus has freed us from {{{carnal ordinances}}}, and whom Jesus has freed, ‘is FREE indeed.’ I didnt not say Jesus/Yeshua freed us from the Torah itself your putting words in my mouth please dont do that....... 10 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov There is very little we are in disagreement with Johnny. However not tithing is a violation of the Torah. I think the problem is whom people tithe to. This I believe this one may be one of those that fall in the category of we will full ill this miztvot when the temple is restored. 10 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Acts 15:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 {{{Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers}}} in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; {{{because they continued not in my covenant~~~, and {{{I regarded them not, saith the Lord}}}. 10 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov The new covenant is that Hashem will write his Torah on our hearts. What does this mean? It means that Torah will be what comes out of us as our knee jerk reaction with out our flesh getting in the way. 10 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen I fully agree with that but we are not bound by ALL the written laws in the Torah in the NT Church such as tithing!!! quote - {{{However not tithing is a violation of the Torah}}}. I understand that but in order to teach or practice something under the...See More 10 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov What I am trying to say is that the covenant of David, Moses and Abraham and the covenant of Yeshua is all the same covenant. Nothing taken away from the prior covenants but something added. To say that the very least of the commandments such as tithin...See More 9 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen quote - {{{If Yeshua kept the Torah he would have tithed.}}} Yeshua was not obligated to tithe he was a carpenter nor could he collect tithes to support his ministry because he was from the tribe of Judah and only the Levites has a direct commandment f...See More 9 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov You just dont seem to understand that it is all the same covenant. Since when does being a carpenter disqualify you from tithing during temple times. Even the poorest of the poor tithed. You are correct he could not collect tithes for he was from the tribe of Judah. There is not one scripture you can quote from he tanakh that backs up your claim that you should not tithe. 9 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen I get back to you later got to rest now Shalom 9 hrs · Like .. Ariel Yaqov The scripture does say specifically whom you should tithe to. I cannot think of a person alive today that qualifies for this. However to say you should not tithe is out of the question. Both of us know what qualifies to take a tithe. We will truly obse...See More 9 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Let’s just say for the sake of the argument your right ok!!! But now we have no more temple no more Levites to collect the tithes until the third temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem, Christ is our one and only high priest and tithing had nothing whatsoever...See More 7 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen . In 4000 years of recorded biblical history there is not a single example of what the Church practices today in tithing money. There are two one-time acts of tithing recorded before the Law. Neither man, Abraham or Jacob, seems to think that they shou...See More Take the Tithing Test truthorfables Take the following True or False test to see how much your really understand a... See More . 7 hrs · Edited · Like .. Ariel Yaqov This my friend I can agree with. 5 hrs · Like · 1 .. Ariel Yaqov I agree the church has no authority on this matter. 5 hrs · Like · 1 .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen Praise Elohim!!! I humble myself before his mighty hand for it by his precious grace and mercy alone I stand...... I repent if I seem to show any arrogance or pride in my teachings at times, I am seeking the lords deliverance in this matter so that I m...See More 3 hrs · Like .. Evangelist Johnny J. Christen One more thing the tithing Law found in (Leviticus 27 was given specifically to the children of isreal Leviticus 27; 34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for {{{{{{the children of Israel}}}}}} in mount Sinai. Also the profi...See More 2 hrs · Like
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