Example of an Eternal Torment (ET) believers conversion to Universal Reconciliation (UR) after considering tough questions regarding the contradictions in his tenet of salvation. NOTE: It is NOT my intention to start another debate in here on UR vs ET. But for those who lurk here and are trying to make up their minds on which is the true theology, I can do no greater a service than direct them to the website below which, of all the material I have read here on the Internet on both UR and ET, is absolutely the most comprehensive, overarching debate between two individuals, one from each camp, on what is undoubtedly the thorniest issue in the Bible, bar none. It is conducted just like a live debate would be. Each man gives an opening statement of their belief and the Biblical foundation for it and then each man addresses each others questions, objections, etc. I will say that I had temporarily veered off UR and gone back to annihilationism for a short period but reading this debate has renewed my faith in Gods absolute determination to save every last human. I will say, and I hope I am non-partial when I say this, that the UR proponent totally blows the ETer out of the water and you will see why when you read Logos_xs (aka Stephen) posts #3, 8 & especially 12. I am still reading the debate but I can say that up to this point it is absolutely riveting, glue-you-to-your-seat stuff. Just a preview---logos_x asks Kevin (ET proponent) 24 questions which no ETer could answer without admitting that their doctrine is fatally flawed. Here are 12 of them: Quote: Do they believe the fire in I Cor.3:15 burns mans’ works, but not the man himself? Yes. But do they teach that this same fire in Rev.20:15 also burns works, not the man? No. Do they believe that God is absolutely and totally sovereign (Eph. 1:11)? Yes. But do they teach that God exercises sovereignty over man’s supposed free will? No. Do they believe that Jesus came to destroy all the works of the Devil? Yes Do they believe He will? No. Do they believe that Jesus Christ IS the Saviour of the whole world (I Jn 4:14)? Yes. But do they teach that Jesus Christ will SAVE the whole world? No. Do they believe that presently Christ only has immortality (I Tim. 6:16)? Yes. But do they teach the truth therefore that men’s souls are mortal and not immortal? No. Do they believe that the soul that sins shall DIE (Ezek. 18:4)? Yes. But do they teach that souls of deceased sinners are actually DEAD? No. Do they believe ALL God purposed, spoke, and willed (Isa. 46:10-11), He will do? Yes. But do they teach that God’s will to save all, I Tim. 2:4, etc., will be done? No. BIG ONE! Do they believe that the last enemy to be destroyed [Gk: abolished] is death? Yes. But do they teach that ALL death, including the second death, will be abolished? No. Do they believe that all things are possible with God (Mark 10:27)? Yes. But do they teach that it is possible for God to save nonbelievers after they die? No. Do they believe that God’s love will never fail (I Cor. 13:8)? Yes. But do they teach that God’s love will never fail in saving the world He loves? No. Do they believe that loving our enemies means doing good and not evil to them? Yes. But do they teach that God will never subject His enemies to eternal torture and evil? No. Do they believe that Jesus death took all sin away? Yes Do they believe all sin is taken away? No. I hope many of you get as much pleasure (and learning) out of reading this debate as I did. be warned: it is long, but well worth the effort. Enjoy! Read more: city-data/forum/christianity/1362420-absolutely-best-debate-universalism-vs-et.html#ixzz365TEJYi0
Posted on: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:54:50 +0000
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