For those related to JOHN & MATILDA GUYNES (I suspect a common ancestor for a bunch of us here), interesting stuff passed along to me from a long-lost cousin I met recently via 23andme, whose last name is Lewis. Her words: More than likely, you will find little to no information on my Guynes branch as my ancestor, Ruebin Guynes was originally enslaved by John and Matilda Guynes. Per Probate records, when John died without a will in 1840, his property and chattel slaves were auction via a court order. Interestingly, Johns widow, Matilda, either retained or bought back what I call a package deal consisting of a woman named Lucindy, (and children) a girl named Emily and a boy named Rhueben (Ruebin). I do not know if Lucindy was Ruebins mother, Lucinda (Lucindy?) was still enslaved by Matilda Guynes when she (Matilda) died in January 1865. Between 1840 and 1852, Ruebin became the property of Wyatt. Per Probate records, when Wyatt died without a will in 1852, his property and 5 slaves were court ordered to be auctioned to settle his estate. The four females (Emily, Tennessee, Rose and Caroline) were auctioned, but Sarah, Wyatts widow, either bought back or retained the mulatto, Ruebin, for $1,313.00. I do not know if Ruebin was freed prior to emancipation, but after emancipation, Ruebin retained his blood name, married, had a family and remained in Copiah County, Mississippi. By the time he died in 1913, he had purchased at least 600 acres of land which he bequeathed to his children. One of Ruebins children, Martha Guynes Smith (my great grandmother), preceded Ruebin in death, therefore, he left her portion of land to her children. It has been a challenge to find out what happened to Martha and her husband, Jerry Smith. It seems they just dropped off the face of the earth. Martha and Jerry may have had as many as 10 children, but identifying and locating them (with the exception of my grandmother Carrie) has also been a challenge. DNA has put Ruebin in the right Guynes family line, but Probate records placed him with specific family members. This has been quite a fascinating journey and I am very eager to learn more about the Guynes family as their history seems to be quite an interesting one. & more: While researching Guynes records, I stumbled upon Probate records for several Guynes family members in Copiah County, Mississippi. I located Johns and Wyatts Probate records and found the mulatto named Rheuben/Ruebin/Ruben/Ruby mentioned in them. Initially, I did not know who actually fathered Ruebin. John was about 64 when he died in 1840 and Ruebin was about 3. Yes, it is possible John fathered Ruebin. Wyatt was born in 1809 and was about 31 in 1840 when Ruebin was about 3. Yes, it is possible Wyatt fathered Ruebin. John initially owned Ruebin, then Wyatt owned Ruebin. John was born in South Carolina and Wyatt was born in Louisiana. On at least 3 census records, Ruebin reported his father was born in Louisiana. As 23andMe test results returned, as well as GEDmatch comparisons.... Guynes connections came back with percentages, segments and estimated generations consistent with others descending from John and Matilda. Am I 100% sure Wyatt is the father and not John? No, but I feel well over 95% sure. Besides myself, my two sisters, my paternal first cousin and my distant cousin all descend from Ruebin. All of us share DNA with at least one of the Guynes 15 siblings (Ruebins aunts and uncles), but, so far, the 5 of us do not consistently share DNA with one common Guynes sibling. However, none of our DNA matches have been descendants of Wyatts. If I find a Wyatt descendant and all or us share DNA, then I will feel pretty certain Wyatt is my 3xs great grandfather. I am very curious to learn if Ruebin had siblings. Per the Probate records all of Johns slaves (1840) and Wyatts slaves (1852) listed and valued for auction were identified as Negro; Ruebin was the exception and was the only mulatto. Regarding Ruebins place, yes, I believe Ruebin was the result of an encounter between Wyatt and, more than likely, a black female slave. Possibly, Ruebins mother was a black female slave named Lucindy who was owed by John & Matilda. Finally, from another, closer, cousin who has more info than this (in a storage unit shes been saying she needs to get to): I do have a copy of Lizzies (me - Michael Atkinsons - great grandmother, daughter of Mandy Guynes) grandmother, Emily. She was indian and married Harmon Guynes/Guines. She is buried at Clapp Cem. Clapp Cem. was donated by the State of TX for indians. (if I am not mistaken) The whites didnt want indians buried with them. We have family there. I have talked to Tim Hashaw who is a writer in TX. He descends from one of the Guynes daughters, I just cant remember which one right now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont know about that one - indian? hmm. Although my daddy always did say they looked native American, would love others thoughts on all the above and particularly this :) Sorry do long, hopefully helps someone....
Posted on: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:42:45 +0000
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