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Hi Nanci. I would like to know more about your understanding of duality and separation. Many NDEers who have an extensive enough experience subsequently claim that separation is an illusion and that there is no duality. Anita Moorjani for instance is quite emphatic about this point, and claims that the universe is not external and separate from us, despite our perceptions to the contrary (she even goes as far as saying there is no actual universe outside of herself). Does this make sense to you? Additionally I have studied QM at university, and have as a consequence become convinced that modern physics is emphatically telling us that all separation is an illusion. There are admittedly interpretational aspects to quantum theory, but this is not of that ilk. The principle of ‘non-locality’ (universal interconnectedness) and space-like separated entangled quantum states has been rigorously proven by repeated experiments over many years; with very clear implications. I guess I am basically asking you this because your position seems to be that humans are separate entities to us and eventually perish (despite themselves possessing some level of consciousness!) I am not finding this particularly easy to reconcile with the points outlined above. Just to be clear, I am not challenging anything you are saying, but simply trying to ascertain whether these ideas of non-duality and illusion of separation have any significance to you, based on your own personal experience. Are you readily able to reconcile these ideas with your personal experience? If so, it would be informative for me to understand the nature of that reconciliation. Perhaps there is something that I have so far failed to grasp? Talking of Anita Moorjani, there is something else she says which has also piqued my interest. Although she, like you, states that we come into physical life to just have the experience, she also places a fair amount of emphasis on the idea that we also come here to express our true spiritual nature, particularly love. Does this resonate at all with what you learned from your experience? You have made the claim in the past that we are not here to learn how to love. But it seems to me that expressing love under challenging situations is very similar to the idea of learning how to love. Moreover I fear there is a conflation of two very different concepts going on here. You describe spiritual love as being something more akin to some kind of energy force field, rather than being a response to events and situations. In the physical world we use the word ‘love’ to encompass such things as self-sacrifice for the benefit of others, compassion and benevolence, etc. This is a crucial point! The reason this distinction is so important is because, as stated above, you claim that it is intrinsically nonsensical to believe that we come here to learn how to love since in our pure spiritual state we love unconditionally anyway, and therefore don’t need to learn how to ‘do it’. But you appear to be using the word ‘love’ in quite a different way to how the word is normally understood. And once one acknowledges this distinction it becomes immediately clear that it actually does make sense to believe we might be learning (or perhaps more precisely expressing) love in the physical plane. In a nutshell I am basically asking you if we are here to ‘express’ our true spiritual nature as well as to simply ‘experience’ physical life? It appears that so much of what you say seems to suggest we are simply here to experience - just for the sake of experiencing - whereas the idea of expressing love (in the sense outlined above) places a somewhat more deeper significance to our Earthly incarnations. Can you see where I am coming from? And where you do deviate a bit from this basic idea, such as when you say we are here for the challenge, it usually seems to be within the context of violence, and experiencing/partaking in violent activities (at least according to my understanding). So this is the reason I am asking you this. Just to emphasis, I am not comparing and contrasting different NDE accounts in the way it might seem, and I am not asking you whether or not you agree with what other people have written. Rather, I am simply seeking to know whether the notions highlighted above have any connection at all with your personal experience, and whether you are able to integrate these ideas within your own personal NDE experience. Thank you in anticipation of your response. I eagerly await your reply.
Posted on: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:04:08 +0000

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