I propose the formation of a new fascist political party with the explicit goal of lining up all moral/ethical anti-realists against the wall to be shot. All theyd have to do to escape this fate would be to admit that shooting them would be actually wrong, (and really be actually wrong, not merely within any subjective BS) because then they wouldnt be moral/ethical anti-realists. Argument requires common ground, and to have common ground requires believing some objective truth claims. When there is a complete lack of relevant common ground then the only way to resolve a dispute is by force. - Ben McLean MB: I am a moral objectivist, personally. But how can the pragmatist *prove* these truths to others within intersubjective space? (S)he cant. Such is the limit of that medium. Its not the pragmatists fault that (s)he is aware of this limitation. The pragmatist shouldnt be shunned for having sophisticated awareness. BML: In one sense, there are no real moral subjectivists. I mean, no one actually believes it. Someone who did (something that did) would no longer be a human person. Theyd be like the Un-Man from Perelandra. But Mark Blobfish certainly isnt a moral objectivist in the sense that his statements of his beliefs do not conform to the definition of moral objectivism. He is a moral subjectivist in the sense that his statements of his beliefs do conform to the definition of moral subjectivism. MB: Yes, I am a moral subjectivist, but you seem to think that this means that I am not a moral objectivist. I am a moral objectivist, subjectively, personally; and a moral subjectivist, intersubjectively. BML: I have a rule against arguing with extreme subjectivists of which you clearly are one, and the exception I have been making has definitely run out by this point. The conversation so far has only served to reiterate the reasons for this policy. Im blocking you and leaving this group, because I consider this conversation and any further conversation with you to be a waste of time.
Posted on: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:24:54 +0000