I watched the God Delusion on youtube and I had some thoughts on the subject. Maybe Im loony, but I like to share what I think on the subject. I watched this, and I found it interesting, but I also found it leaving many holes being both biased and skewed. First of all, it seems to point to religion as the source of atrocities, that is a correlation rather than a cause/effect relation. If someone is going to kill others, they are going to find a reason to do it, that in law is called motive and does not require religion. Second, it was noted that religion causes good people to do evil things. Perhaps that is true, but it is equally true that religion also inspires evil people to do good things. I can vouch for the simple fact that if I were an atheist, I would be the only human left alive on this earth. The reason for that is because I would be a super predator except for the reigns of religion holding me back. Without religion, there is absolutely no reason to obey any law or have any morality at all. To believe any other way is a lie. The example of the chimpanzees left out the simple fact that a chimp will kill and eat rival chimps if they feel like it. Is that from the altruistic gene? The assumption is that if religion were eliminated, we would all just get along. It also assumes that progress simply means change. A change in the wrong direction is not progress, and who decides if that change is moving in the right direction anyway? In a word, me. It is my world, and my existence after all. No human being is capable of making the world truly a better place, all they can do is make it more suitable to their world view. Science is a human construct for understanding the world just as religion is, the only difference is its subscribers attempt to make it out that it is not. I say I have a God that you cant see or prove the existence of, you say you have mountains of evidence that you never produce. How are the two different? Where is this evidence? Is it locked in a vault like the vatican? Is it kept under lock and key because we as simple minded people cant handle it? Is it put on the internet maybe? Because you know everything on the internet must be true. When a scientist says he has mountains of evidence supporting his findings without showing every detail of what that evidence is, that is less scientific than religion even is. Transparency is the cornerstone of science, which means that none of it can be kept from the general populace for any reason and it still be science. The bible was written to help people navigate morally. Is it still wrong to kill? To steal? The assumption that these things are inherent in human nature is bogus. For one thing, the host argues that people are killing in the name of religion. If it is human nature to not kill, humans would not be doing it, because from a scientific standpoint we can not go against our nature for very long. You assume that you can have morals as a culture without religion, but your culture which taught you those morals derived them from the religion you say is not needed. Lets look at the idea that religion is outdated from two possible viewpoints. There are more, but I will only consider these for my argument. As someone with Aspergers it is lucky that I can even see two. First view is religion is outdated and not for today. Rebuttal: We as a species would have never made it to this point without it. Without the technologies we have to look at the cosmos and micros where most of our recent discoveries have come from, we wouldnt have been equipped to make sense of our world without a guiding hand. Also, there are always forces out there trying to push us back, and we are just now recovering from the dark ages to be a little more advanced than the Roman empire. We are one disease or conquest away from being a new fallen Rome. Without a continuing guiding hand we will go extinct. Second view is religion is still viable, but only to people who believe. Rebuttal: modern scientific psychology tells us that without a sense of a higher power, or something greater than oneself, the psyche of the individual will be essentially destroyed. We have to believe in something. Atheism and agnosticism are just new forms of old ideas. In the time of Jesus, you would be Sadducees. They were individuals who believed in being good for the here and now. The culture didnt allow for them to say they didnt believe in god, but to not believe in the hearafter makes god pointless. It is just a new spin on an old theme. If you want to argue against Jesus, I invite you to read the works of Josephus and other non christian roman historians who spoke of him at a time when Rome hated him and his followers. He is part of the official record, and his life has been confirmed. Since he is my god, I defy you to prove he didnt exist. You can argue his divinity, resurrection, or miracles, but not his existence. He was seen, touched, and recorded by impartial historians which is scientific. Lastly, I would like to point out a bit of etymology for the uninformed. The word science and magic originally meant the same thing: knowledge. Religion and magic can be used interchangeably in the sense that they are about knowing how something works without knowing why. I would be interested in knowing the following. If entropy is a law of moving from chaos to order, an explosions strength diminishes as the radius grows, red shift shows that galaxies are all moving farther away at faster speeds, gravity is understood poorly at best, mutations in animals lead to sterility and death, and all of this is in direct conflict with one another, then how is it that science is any more sophisticated than witchcraft? Maybe Id believe science if the raw data were shared, but you want me to take on faith that you have it without ever producing any and you think that is any better than hearing what a preacher or priest has to say about morals from a book. The underlying problem with religion isnt god, it is the people in the religion, and there are people in science, so how is that any less fallible? There is no imperical evidence of anything, because it must all be discerned and interpreted by human brains. The reality is out there, and neither science nor religion has figured out even a miniscule amount of it. Science is just as close minded as the religions they accuse of the same thing, they only accept what is presented according to their close minded world view and any argument is shot down unless presented by a PhD who might be a total loon for all you know. The people who are running it are at least as evil as the worst popes, imams, and rabbis throughout history. I mean, in the bible if two thousand people died it was a slaughter, now science has given us the ability to kill millions with the turn of a couple keys. I guess that is what progress is all about.
Posted on: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 03:27:18 +0000
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