PART 2, IFTIKHAR STOP THE NONSENSE AND START DEALING WITH THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE OF ALL AND NOT THE ABSURD TRIVIAL ITEMS YOU KEEP POSTING: Though he was perfect in physical form, his Fathers (YHWHs) message of truth and righteousness that Jesus (Yeshua) boldly proclaimed made him repulsive and despicable in the eyes of the bigots and hypocritical opposers that falsely claimed he was an agent of Beelzebub, or a man possessed of a demon or a blasphemous fraud per Matthew 12:24, But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This man doth not cast out demons, but by Beelzebub the prince of the demons. (ASV); And at Matthew 27:39-43, And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, 40 and saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself: if thou art the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41 In like manner also the chief priests mocking `him, with the scribes and elders, said, 42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. He is the King of Israel; let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe on him. 43 He trusteth on God; let him deliver him now, if he desireth him: for he said, I am the Son of God. (ASV); And at John 8:48, Which of you convicteth me of sin? If I say truth, why do ye not believe me? (ASV); And at John 15:17-25, These things I command you, that ye may love one another. 18 If the world hateth you, ye know that it hath hated me before `it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, A servant is not greater than his lord. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my names sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But `this cometh to pass, that the word may be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. (ASV). For Jesus (Yeshuas) true followers today, they experience the same type of treatment and false accusations that their leader and savior experienced in his day on earth. Obviously, if you are not experiencing persecution of some sort or another for openly telling others about Gods (YHWHs) today, you are in error and not telling the truth. 2 Corinthians 2:14-16 brings this point home as follows, But thanks be unto God, who always leadeth us in triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest through us the savor of his knowledge in every place. 15 For we are a sweet savor of Christ unto God, in them that are saved, and in them that perish; 16 to the one a savor from death unto death; to the other a savor from life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? (ASV), which makes it clear true Christian preachers of the word of God (YHWH) would be a sweet savor for those receptive to God (YHWH); but an odor of death to those rejecting their message. IV THE REAL SIGNIFICANCE OF JESUS NAME: Most names in ancient Israel had a meaning, remember the angel Gabriel told Mary to call her as yet unborn son, Jesus; this name meant God is Salvation and was not an uncommon name back there, nor in Spanish speaking countries until today. But this name only gives a hint with regard to its real significance. It can readily be seen that while Jesus (Yeshuas) death by torture plays a vital part in human salvation, acceptance of this is by no means all that is required in putting faith in the name of Jesus, per Acts 10:43, To him bear all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth on him shall receive remission of sins. (ASV). After his resurrection, Jesus informed his disciples at Matthew 28:18, that, And Jesus came, and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and upon earth. (Webster Bible by Noah Webster; WB). The Apostle Paul made it clear that his Father (YHWH) has subjected all things to his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) with the specific exception of himself at 1 Corinthians 15:27, For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted who did put all things under him. (WB); And at Hebrews 1:1-14, When in former times God spoke to our forefathers, he spoke in fragmentary and varied fashion through the prophets. 2 But in this the final age he has spoken to us in the Son whom he has made heir to the whole universe, and through whom he created all orders of existence: 3 The Son who is the effulgence of Gods splendour and the stamp of Gods very being, and sustains the universe by his word of power. When he had brought about the purgation of sins, he took his seat at the right hand of Majesty on high, raised as far above the angels, 4 as the title he has inherited is superior to theirs. 5 For God never said to any angel, Thou art my Son; today I have begotten thee, or again, I will be father to him, and he shall be my son. 6 Again, when he presents the first-born to the world, he says, Let all the angels of God pay him homage. 7 Of the angels he says, He who makes his angels winds, And his ministers a fiery flame; 8 but of the Son, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and erve, And the scepter of justice is the scepter of his kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved right and hated wrong; Therefore, O God, thy God has set thee above thy fellows, By anointing with the oil of exultation. 10 And again, By thee, Lord, were earths foundations laid of old, And the heavens are the work of thy hands. 11 They shall pass away, but thou endurest; Like clothes they shall all grow old; 12 Yes, they shall be changed like any garment. But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end. 13 To which of the angels has he ever said, Sit at my right hand until I make thy enemies they footstool? What are they all but ministrant spirits, sent out to serve, for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation? (The New English Bible; NEB); And at Hebrews 2:8, thou hast subjected all things under his feet. For in subjecting all things to him, he has left nothing unsubject to him. But now we see not yet all things subjected to *him*, (The Darby Translation). Thus, His name is more shown by the scriptures to be more excellent than that of Gods (YHWHs) angels, in that his name embraces or stands for the great authority that God (YHWH) has given to him per Hebrew 1:3-4, just previously quoted. Since this is the case, only those who recognize his name and bow to its authority thereby represented will gain eternal life per Acts 4:12, There is no salvation by anyone else, for no one else in all the wide world has been appointed among men as our only medium by which to be saved. (The New Testament by Charles B. Williams); And at Ephesians 1:19-23, and what the surpassing greatness of his power towards us who believe, according to the working of the might of his strength, 20 [in] which he wrought in the Christ [in] raising him from among [the] dead, and he set him down at his right hand in the heavenlies, 21 above every principality, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name named, not only in this age, but also in that to come; 22 and has put all things under his feet, and gave him [to be] head over all things to the assembly, 23 which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all: (The Darby Translation); And at Philippians 2:9-11, For both he that sanctifieth, and they who are sanctified, are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, (WB). All true footstep followers of His must have sincerity and be without hypocrisy, comply with the standards of his Father (YHWH) that Jesus (Yeshua)revealed as his spokesman or agent, and, in faith, obey the commands he gave per Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out demons? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (WB); And at Romans 1:5, Through him God gave me the privilege of being an apostle, for the sake of Christ, in order to lead people of all nations to believe and obey. (Good News For Modern Man Bible by American Bible Society); And at 1 John 3:23, `His orders are that we should put our trust in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another-as we used to hear him say in person. (The New Testament in Modern English by J. B. Phillips). Illustrating another aspect of Jesus (Yeshuas) name is his prophetic warning that his followers would be hater and persecuted by bigots per Matthew 24:9, Then will they deliver you up to be afflicted, and will kill you: and ye will be hated by all nations for my names sake. (WB); And at Matthew 10:22, And ye will be hated by all men for my names sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. (WB); And at John 15:20-21, Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do to you for my names sake, because they know not him that sent me. (WB); And at Acts 9:15-16, But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 for I will show him how many things he must suffer for my names sake. (ASV). Why is this so? It is because his name represents Gods (YHWHs) appointed Ruler, the King of kings, to whom all nations should bow in submission or suffer destruction per Revelation 19:11-16, And after the three days and a half [the] spirit of life from God came into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And I heard a great voice out of the heaven saying to them, Come up here; and they went up to the heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth of the city fell, and seven thousand names of men were slain in the earthquake. And the remnant were filled with fear, and gave glory to the God of the heaven. 14 The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe comes quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded [his] trumpet: and there were great voices in the heaven, saying, The kingdom of the world of our Lord and of his Christ is come, and he shall reign to the ages of ages. 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, (The Darby Translation); And foretold at Psalms 2:7-12, The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I will give thee the Gentiles for thy inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and shalt break them in pieces like a potters vessel. 10 And now, O ye kings, understand: receive instruction, you that judge the earth. 11 Serve ye the Lord with fear; and rejoice unto him with trembling. 12 Embrace discipline, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you perish from the just way. (DRCB). Even the demons obeyed Jesus (Yeshuas)command to get out of persons they possessed as shown at Mark 5:1-13, And they came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes. 2 And when he was come out of the boat, straightway there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 who had his dwelling in the tombs: and no man could any more bind him, no, not with a chain; 4 because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been rent asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: and no man had strength to tame him. 5 And always, night and day, in the tombs and in the mountains, he was crying out, and cutting himself with stones. 6 And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshipped him; 7 and crying out with a loud voice, he saith, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come forth, thou unclean spirit, out of the man. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he saith unto him, My name is Legion; for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there on the mountain side a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And they besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13 And he gave them leave. And the unclean spirits came out, and entered into the swine: and the herd rushed down the steep into the sea, `in number about two thousand; and they were drowned in the sea. (ASV); And at Mark 9:25-29, When Jesus saw that a multitude came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to him, You mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him, and never enter him again! 26 Having cried out, and convulsed greatly, it came out of him. The boy became like one dead; so much that most of them said, He is dead. 27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and raised him up; and he arose. 28 When he had come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why couldnt we cast it out? 29 He said to them, This kind can come out by nothing, except by prayer and fasting. (The Web Bible-Original Edition); And at many other places. In fact, Jesus (Yeshuas) faithful Apostles were authorized to use His name both before and after his death to do likewise as recorded at Luke 9:1, Then having summoned the twelve apostles, he gave them power and authority over all the devils, and to cure diseases. (The Confraternity Edition of The New Testament-Catholic); And at Luke 10:17, Having returned and the seventy with joy, saying: O lord, and the demons are subject to us in the name of thee. (word-for-word translation of Vatican Manuscript #1209 by Dr. J. J. Griesbach); and at Acts 16:16-18, One day as we were going down to the place of prayer beside the river, we met a demon-possessed slave girl who was a fortune-teller, and earned much money for her masters. 17 She followed along behind us shouting, These men are servants of God, and they have come to tell you how to have your sins forgiven. 18 This went on day after day until Paul, in great distress turned and spoke to the demon within her. I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her, he said. And instantly it left her. (Living New Testament). Of course, the demons did not listen to ones not authorized by Jesus (Yeshua) to expel demons in his name as shown at Acts 19:13-17, And certain of the wandering exorcist Jews, took upon `them to name over those having the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, `We adjure you by Jesus, whom Paul doth preach; 14 and there were certain -- seven sons of Sceva, a Jew, a chief priest -- who are doing this thing; 15 and the evil spirit, answering, said, `Jesus I know, and Paul I am acquainted with; and ye -- who are ye? 16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaping upon them, and having overcome them, prevailed against them, so that naked and wounded they did flee out of that house 17 and this became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who are dwelling at Ephesus, and fear fell upon them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified, (Youngs Literal Translation). Yes, when Jesus (Yeshuas) followers referred to his name they often employed the expression, the Lord Jesus or our Lord Jesus Christ such as at Acts 8:16, (For as yet he had fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) (WB); And at Acts 15:26, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. (WB); And at Acts 19:5 & 13 & 17, When they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. and 13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them who had evil spirits, the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. (WB), and 17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus: and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. (WB); 1 Corinthians 1:2 & 10, to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all those calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place -- both theirs and ours: and 10 And I call upon you, brethren, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that the same thing ye may all say, and there may not be divisions among you, and ye may be perfected in the same mind, and in the same judgment, (Youngs Literal Translation); And at Ephesians 5:20, giving thanks at all times for all things to him [who is] God and [the] Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, (The Darby Translation); And at Colosians 3:17, And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (Authorized King James Bible; AV). His faithful followers recognized his as their Lord and Savior not only because he was their divinely appointed Repurchaser and Owner by virtue of his ransom sacrifice per 1 Corinthians 6:20, for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. (ASV); And at 1 Corinthians 7:22-23, For he that was called in the Lord being a bondservant, is the Lords freedman: likewise he that was called being free, is Christs bondservant. 23 Ye were bought with a price; become not bondservants of men. (ASV); And at 1 Peter 1:18-19, For he that was called in the Lord being a bondservant, is the Lords freedman: likewise he that was called being free, is Christs bondservant. 23 Ye were bought with a price; become not bondservants of men. (WB); And at Jude 4, For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. (Revised Standard Version; RSV). Also, they recognize him because of his kingly position and authority. It was in the full regal as well as priestly authority represented by His name that his followers preached per Acts 5:29-32, And Peter and the apostles answering, said, `To obey God it behoveth, rather than men; 30 and the God of our fathers did raise up Jesus, whom ye slew, having hanged upon a tree; 31 this one God, a Prince and a Saviour, hath exalted with His right hand, to give reformation to Israel, and forgiveness of sins; 32 and we are His witnesses of these sayings, and the Holy Spirit also, whom God gave to those obeying him. (Youngs Literal Translation); And at Acts 40-42, And to him they agreed, and having called near the apostles, having beaten `them, they commanded `them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go; 41 they, indeed, then, departed from the presence of the sanhedrim, rejoicing that for his name they were counted worthy to suffer dishonour, 42 every day also in the temple, and in every house, they were not ceasing teaching and proclaiming good news -- Jesus the Christ. (Youngs Literal Translation); also they baptized disciples per Matthew 28:18-20, And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. (ASV); And at Acts 2:38, And Peter `said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (ASV). V WHY HATRED/BIGOTRY TOWARD HIS FOLLOWERS: Irrational Hatred and Bigotry: Illustrating another aspect of Jesus (Yeshuas) name is his prophetic warning that his followers would be hater and persecuted by bigots per Matthew 24:9, Then will they deliver you up to be afflicted, and will kill you: and ye will be hated by all nations for my names sake. (WB); And at Matthew 10:22, And ye will be hated by all men for my names sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. (WB); And at John 15:20-21, Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do to you for my names sake, because they know not him that sent me. (WB); And at Acts 9:15-16, But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 for I will show him how many things he must suffer for my names sake. (ASV). Why is this so? It is because his name represents Gods (YHWHs) appointed Ruler, the King of kings, to whom all nations should bow in submission or suffer destruction per Revelation 19:11-16, And after the three days and a half [the] spirit of life from God came into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And I heard a great voice out of the heaven saying to them, Come up here; and they went up to the heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth of the city fell, and seven thousand names of men were slain in the earthquake. And the remnant were filled with fear, and gave glory to the God of the heaven. 14 The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe comes quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded [his] trumpet: and there were great voices in the heaven, saying, The kingdom of the world of our Lord and of his Christ is come, and he shall reign to the ages of ages. 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, (The Darby Translation); And foretold at Psalms 2:7-12, The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I will give thee the Gentiles for thy inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and shalt break them in pieces like a potters vessel. 10 And now, O ye kings, understand: receive instruction, you that judge the earth. 11 Serve ye the Lord with fear; and rejoice unto him with trembling. 12 Embrace discipline, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you perish from the just way. (DRCB). Contention With Regard A Myth: Due to some translations using a biased translation construct for John 1:1 because their translator was influenced by his/her erroneous belief in a Trinity; there has been much conflict and contention between so called Christians; whereas, the Bible clearly states at John 3:16-17, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. (ASV). Now lets take a brief look at the FACTS concerning this scripture. It is in error rendered in many Bibles as, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (AV, ASV, Etc.), which makes it appear that Jesus (Yeshua) and Almighty God (YHWH) are one and the same. But this is NOT the case. It should be noted that the scripture itself shows that the Word was with God, hence could in no way be God (YHWH), that is, be the Almighty God. In fact, if the Word (Yeshua) was God (YHWH), John 1:2 would be unnecessary and impossible, The same was in the beginning with God. (ASV, AV, Etc.). Also, the question of whether Jesus (Yeshua) is not in question here since His Father (YHWH) is Almighty God (YHWH) he of course is divine and anyone that does not accept that fact is NOT a Christian. Now lets look at the scripture from a translators view point. In the original Koine Greek, there is no indefinite article-corresponding to a or an in the original text. However this does not mean one should not be used in translation into English. One of the greatest Koine Greek experts and Bible scholars of all times, Dr. J. J. Griesbach, in his word-for-word translation from Koine Greek found in the Vatican Manuscript #1209-a most respected very ancient manuscript-translated John 1:1-2 as, In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word. 2 This was in a beginning with the God. This illustrates that throughout the New Testament originally written in Koine Greek that translators are obliged to use the indefinite article or not according to their understanding of the meaning of the text. All English translations of those scriptures do contain the indefinite article hundreds of times; however many do not use at John 1:1. Why this inconsistency? Bias by a myth they want to believe but which is NOT supported by fact. It should be noted that the text itself shows that the Word was with God, therefore as previously stated could NOT be God. Additionally, the word for god (Gr., the-os) in its second occurrence in the verse is significantly without the definite article the (Gr. , ho) . Ernst Haenchen, in a commentary of the Gospel of John, stated: (the-os) and (ho the-os) (god, divine and the God) were not the same thing in this period in keeping with what Dr. J. J. Griesbach stated in his writings. Thus only the Father (YHWH) was God (ho the-os) as in John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, `even Jesus Christ. (ASV); here, the Son was subordinate to him, a fact Jesus (Yeshua) himself testified to at John 14:28, Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I. (ASV). Remember in Jewish and Christian monotheism it is quite acceptable to speak of divine beings that existed alongside and under God (YHWh), but were not identical with him as shown at Philippians 2:6-10, who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient `even unto death, yea, the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of `things in heaven and `things on earth and `things under the earth, (ASV). In this passage the Apostle Paul delineates just such a divine being, the obedient Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua). Therefore, in both Philippians and John 1:1 it is not a matter of a dialectical relationship between two-in-one, but of a personal union of two entities. [source of paraphrase, John, translated by R. W. Funk, 1984, Page 109-110]. How None Biased Translators Render John 1:1: How examples of some Bible translators who did not have bias translated: When all things began, the Word already was. The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the word was. [Note, to conserve space only the last part of the scripture as rendered will be given for the many translations to follow] and the Word was a divine being. La Bible du Centenaire by LEvangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel, and the Word was divine. The Bible-An American Translation by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, and of a divine kind was the Word. and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word. Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme, and the Word was a God. The New Testament by James L. Tomanek, Das Evangelium nach Johannes Siegfried Schulz, Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Johannes Schneider, Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Jurgen Becker Harwood, what God was,the Word was by J. Moffatt, the Logos was divine Translators NT, The Word was with God and shared his nature Barclay NT, what God was, the Word was Scholars Version, The Divine word and wisdom was there with God, and it was what God was Madsen, the Word was a divine Being Becker, ein Gott war das Logos [a God/god was the Logos/logos] Stage, Das Wort war selbst gttlichen Wesens [The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being] Bhmer, Es war fest mit Gott verbunden, ja selbst gttlichen Wesens [It was strongly linked to God, yes itself divine Being/being] Thimme, Gott von Art war das Wort [God of Kind/kind was the Word/word] Baumgarten et al, Gott (von Art) war der Logos [God (of Kind/kind) was the Logos/logos] Holzmann, ein Gott war der Gedanke [a God/god was the Thought/thought] Rittenlmeyer, selbst ein Gott war das Wort [itself a God/god was the Word/word] Lyder Brun (Norw. professor of NT theology), Ordet var av guddomsart [the Word was of divine kind] Pffflin, war von gttlicher Wucht [was of divine Kind/kind] Albrecht, gttlichen Wesen hatte das Wort [godlike Being/being had the Word/word] Smit, verdensordet var et guddommelig vesen [the word of the world was a divine being] Menge, Gott gttlichen Wesens) war das Wort[God(=godlike Being/being) was the Word/word) Haenchen, Gott (von Art) war der Logos [God (of Kind/kind) was the Logos/logos] Die Bibel in heutigem Deutsch, r war bei Gott und in allem Gott gleich[He was with God and in all like God] Haenchen (tr. By R. Funk), divine (of the category divinity)was the Logos Schultz, And the word was a god - The New Testament in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Achbishop Newcomes New Translation: With a Corrected Text, and a god was the Word - The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson, And the Word was a god - New World Translation, He was the same as God - Todays English Version. We notice that these Bibles do not translate John 1:1 with the simple expression The Word was God like most Bibles do. Why is that? The footnote to John 1:1 in The New American Bible states the following reason: Was God: lack of a definite article with God in Greek signifies predication rather than identification. What the footnote is saying is that first time God appears in the verse, was with God, there is a definite article before God so it literally reads was with THE God. The second time God appears, was God, there is no definite article (the). This signifies God may be used as a predicate and not as an identification. Regarding this fact, the Anchor Bible states: To preserve in English the different nuance of theos [god] with and without the article, some (Moffat) would translate The Word was divine. [for those wishing to do further research on the subject, the following references are highly recommended: The Doctrine of the Trinity: Christianitys Self-Inflicted Wound by Anthony F. Buzzard and Charles F. Hunting, The Two Babylons by Rev. Alexander Hilsop, The Great Debate Regarding The Father, Son & Holy Spirit by Roger Wagner, Jesus-God or the Son of God? by Brian Holt- tellway-publishing, The Role of Theology and Bias in Bible Translation by Rolf Furuli-one Of the two greatest living Koine Greek experts, The Religious Life of Ancient Rome: A Study in the Development of Religious Consciousness, from the Foundation of the City Until the Death of Gregory the Great. Carter, Jesse Benedict, New York: Cooper Square Publishers. 1972; David, Francis and Blandrata, Georgio, De falsa et vera unius Dei Patris, Filii, et Spiritus Sancti cognitone [Latin](The False and True Knowledge of the Unity of God the Father, Son, and Holy spirit), David, Francis and Blandrata, Georgio, 1566 A.D.; hector3000.future.easyspa...ermans.htm , The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine. By Cher-El L Hagensick, The Foundation of Judaism and Christianity, James Parkes-1960, Caesar and Christ check page 595,(Lamson, Newton & Durant cited from Charles Redeker, To Us there is One God, June 1978); The Paganism in Our Christianity by Historian Arthur Weigall, Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything. The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition (100-600). Chicago: U of Chicago P. 1971. Vol. 1 of The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development of Doctrine. 5 vols. By Robert A. Heinlein; Pelikan, Jaroslav, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson: Being His Autobiography, Correspondence, Reports, Messages, Addresses, and Other Writings, Official and Private: Published by the Order of the Joint Committee of Congress on the Library, From the Original Manuscripts, Deposited in the Department of State, with explanatory notes, by the editor, H.A. Washington. 9 vols. (Washington, D.C.: Taylor & Maury, 1853-1854); now if you doubt anything I have written with respect Contention With Regard A Myth. Now some Discourses by Iris the Preacher you can use to do research: Discourse on Mainstream Religion, Westminister Confession an Example of Twisting by Use of Heremeneutic Methodology to Back Up a Myth/False Doctrine, Discourse on Colossians 2:8-12, Documentary on the Book of John Being Anti-Trinitarian, Discourse on Constructs Used to Translate John 1:1, Discourse on the Great Deceit, Paul and the Trinity, Discourse on Philippians 2:1-16, And one by my husband, Discourse on John 1:1 & Appendix. Now please go check the facts, I have given you sufficient research sources.] VI TESTED BEFORE BECOMING THE MESSIAH: Testing: Almighty God (YHWH) had supreme confidence in his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua), but he would have to be tested before God (YHWH) gave him authority over all but himself per 1 Corinthians 15:27, For He has put all things under His feet. But when He says all things are put under Him, it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. (The New King James Version; NKJV). Why did God (YHWH) have a lot of confidence in Jesus (Yeshua)? It is because he who God (YHWH) would choose to be the Messiah and serve as the sacrificial Lamb of God was well known to him As 1 Peter 1:19-20, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. (New International Version, NIV). In selecting his only-begotten Son, God (YHWH), of course, was not hasty in picking him. He well knew that his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) was no novice that might get puffed up with pride and fall into the judgment passed upon the devil per 1 Timothy 5:22:3-6, Impose hands hastily on no man, neither be partaker of other mens sins: keep thyself pure. (WB); And at 1 Timothy 3:6, and not a new convert, lest he become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil (New American Standard Bible; NASB). In other words, God (YHWH) fully knew his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) from his intimate association with him during countless ages past per Matthew 11:27, All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal `him. (ASV); This compares to Genesis 22:12, And he said, Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing to him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld from me thy son, thy only son. (WB); and could confidently assign him to fulfill the unerring prophecies of His Word, see Isaiah 46:10-11, Who shew from the beginning the things that shall be at last, and from ancient times the things that as yet are not done, saying: My counsel shall stand, and all my will shall be done: 11 Who call a bird from the east, and from a far country the man of my own will, and I have spoken,m and will bring it to pass: I have created, and I will do it. Hear me, O ye hardhearted, who are far from justice. (DRCB). Thus God (YHWH) was not arbitrarily guaranteeing certain success for his Son by simply placing him in the role of the prophesied Messiah, see Isaiah 55:11, So shall the word which comes from my mouth prevail; it shall not return to me fruitless without accomplishing mhy purpose or succeeding in the task I gave it. (NEB). Before this, Jesus (Yeshua) had never undergone a test like that which was now before him. While he had demonstrated his faithfulness and devotion to his Father (YHWH) in other ways; He had already been given great responsibility as Gods (YHWHs) spokesman, the Word or Logos. In this position, he had never misused his position and authority, as did Gods (YHWHs) earthly spokesman, Moses, on one occasion, see Numbers 20:9-13, And Moses took the staff from before Jehovah, as he had commanded him. 10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said to them, Hear now, ye rebels: shall we bring forth to you water out of this rock 11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his staff smote the rock twice, and much water came out, and the assembly drank, and their beasts. 12 And Jehovah said to Moses and to Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to hallow me before the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land that I have given them. 13 These are the waters of Meribah, where the children of Israel contended with Jehovah, and he hallowed himself in them. (The Darby Translation); And at Deuteronomy 32:48-51, And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, in this self-same day, saying, 49 `Go up unto this mount Abarim, mount Nebo, which `is in the land of Moab, which `is on the front of Jericho, and see the land of Canaan which I am giving to the sons of Israel for a possession; 50 and die in the mount whither thou art going up, and be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother hath died in the mount Hor, and is gathered unto his people 51 `Because ye trespassed against me in the midst of the sons of Israel at the waters of Meribath-Kadesh, the wilderness of Zin -- because ye sanctified Me not in the midst of the sons of Israel; (Youngs Literal Translation): and Jude 9, But when [even] the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, judicially argued (disputed) about the body of Moses, he dared not (presume to) bring an abusive condemnation against him, but [simply] said, The Lord rebuke you! (The Amplified Bible; AMP). Being the one through whom all things were made, the Son was a god, hence divine, the only begottem god per John 1:18, No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him. (The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures based on The New Testament in the Original Greek by B. F. Westcott and F. J. A. Hort), hence He held a position of glory and preeminence in relation to all others of Gods (YHWHs) spirit sons. This fact, however, did not make him haughty. So, it could not be said that the Son had not already proved his loyalty, humility, and devotion in many respects. It should be noted that the spirit son who became Satan by defecting from Gods (YHWHs) service did not do so because anyone had persecuted him or tempted him to do wrong. As the Bible says at Jam3s 1:13-15, Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (WB); he simply failed his test due to lack of love of his Creator, God (YHWH). Yet this adversary raised an issue that required that the Son, as promised Messiah and future King of Gods Kingdom, now undergo a test of integrity under new circumstances. This test and the sufferings it entailed were also necessary for his being, per Hebrews 5:9-10, and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation; 10 named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. (ASV). To meet the requirements of this test, Gods (YHWHs) was per Hebrews 2:10-18, For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, In the midst of the congregation will I sing thy praise. 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold, I and the children whom God hath given me. 14 Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 and might deliver all them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily not to angels doth he give help, but he giveth help to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore it behooved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. (ASV): And at Hebrews 4:15-5:2, For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as `we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help `us in time of need. 5:1 For every high priest, being taken from among men, is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 who can bear gently with the ignorant and erring, for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity; (ASV); And Luke 9:22, saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up. (ASV). Free Moral Agent: All prophecies concerning the Messiah had to be fulfilled as Jesus (Yeshua) himself acknowledged. This was stated at Luke 24:44-47, And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures; 46 and he said unto them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day; 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. (ASV); And Matthew 16:21, From that time began Jesus to show unto his disciples, that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up. (ASV). However this did not relieve Gods (YHWHs) Son of the weight of responsibility, nor did it eliminate his freedom of choice; to wit, either to be faithful or unfaithful. This was NOT a one- sided affair depending only on Almighty God (YHWH). His Son had to do his part to make the prophecies come true. God (YHWH) assured the certainty of the prophecies by his wise choice of the one whom he assigned to carry them out, per Colossians 1:13, who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; (ASV). But, his Son still retained his freewill. This was shown by his voluntarily submitting himself to his Fathers (YHWHs) will as testified to at Matthew 16:21-23, From that time began Jesus to show unto his disciples, that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up. 22 And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall never be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art a stumbling-block unto me: for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men. (ASV); And at, John 4:34, Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to accomplish his work. (ASV); And at John 5:30, I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (ASV); And at John 6:38, For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (ASV). Hence it is plain to see that he consciously worked toward the fulfillment of his assignment as detailed by his Fathers word, the Bible as shown at Matthew 3:15, But Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer `it now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffereth him. (ASV); And at Matthew 5:17, Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. (ASV); And at Matthew 13:10-17, And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 And he answered and said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that which he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables; because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And unto them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall in no wise understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall in no wise perceive: 15 For this peoples heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest haply they should perceive with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should turn again, And I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see; and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, that many prophets and righteous men desired to see the things which ye see, and saw them not; and to hear the things which ye hear, and heard them not. (ASV); Matthew 13:34-35, All these things spake Jesus in parables unto the multitudes; and without a parable spake he nothing unto them: 35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the world. (ASV); And at Matthew 26:52-54, Then saith Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53 Or thinkest thou that I cannot beseech my Father, and he shall even now send me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then should the scriptures be fulfilled that thus it must be? (ASV). However, many of the features of prophecy were, of course, not under the control of Jesus (Yeshua) as they took place after his death. Some of these are found at Matthew 26:55-56, In that hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a robber with swords and staves to seize me? I sat daily in the temple teaching, and ye took me not. 56 But all this is come to pass, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples left him, and fled. (ASV); And at Matthew 12:40, for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (ASV); And at John 18:31, Pilate therefore said unto them, Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law. The Jews said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: 32 that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying by what manner of death he should die. (ASV); And at John 19:23-24 &36-37, The soldiers therefore, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also the coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24 They said therefore one to another, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my garments among them, And upon my vesture did they cast lots. (ASV); And at John 19:36-37, For these things came to pass, that the scripture might be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. (ASV). In the night proceeding his death, Jesus (Yeshua) had to fortify himself for his coming torture and execution. This took intense personal effort on his part to subject his own will to the superior will of the one wiser than himself, his Father (YHWH) as shown at Matthew 26:36-44, Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I go yonder and pray. 37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and sore troubled. 38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: abide ye here, and watch with me. 39 And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. 40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. 42 Again a second time he went away, and prayed, saying, My Father, if this cannot pass away, except I drink it, thy will be done. 43 And he came again and found them sleeping, for their eyes were heavy. 44 And he left them again, and went away, and prayed a third time, saying again the same words. (ASV); And at Luke 22:42-44, saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared unto him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became as it were great drops of blood falling down upon the ground. (ASV). This also shows that he keenly recognized his human dependence on his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) for strength in time of need as testified to at John 12:23-28, And Jesus answereth them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a grain of wheat fall into the earth and die, it abideth by itself alone; but if it die, it beareth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life loseth it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will the Father honor. 27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour. But for this cause came I unto this hour. 28 Father, glorify thy name. There came therefore a voice out of heaven, `saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. (ASV); And at Hebrews 5:7, In the days of his earthly life he offered up prayers and petitions, with loud cries and tears, to God who was able to deliver him from the grave. Because of his humble submission his prayer was heard: (NEB). This was always the way of Jesus (Yeshua) including when he was tempted by Satan the Devil at the end of a 40 day fast as recorded in Matthew 4:1-10, Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he afterward hungered. 3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him unto an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 and he said unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (ASV). CONCLUSION: I hope all have carefully studied the valuable Bible information contained within this discourse and have done so with an open mind, and not with a prejudicial view due to what you have believed and/or been told in the past. In addition, I hope this writing with its many quotes from many Bibles, approximately 90% being Bible quotes in true Sola Scriptura form, have given one and all a better understanding of Bible truths. I challenge anyone to show that my facts are in error. REALITY #3: Let Iftikhar stop with all his HOGwash and PIGpoop and deal with this issue – which god and which prophet should be followed. I have presented evidence on Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, and shown why he is the prophet to be followed. Now let Iftikhar present evidence for Muhammad or stop posting endless HOGwash and PIGpoop. Now to know the truth, go to: 1) religioustruths.forumsland/ 2) network54/Forum/403209/ 3) religioustruths.lefora/ 4) religioustruths.boardhost/ 5) religious-truths.forums/ 6) religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3/ 7) religioustruths.forumotion/ TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM LEARNING THE TRUTH IS JUST PLAIN WICKED AND EVIL, may Almighty God (YHWH) punish him. To enjoy an online Bible study called “Follow the Christ” go to,religious-truths.forums/…/digital-book-on-18-par… Your Friend in Christ Iris89 Francis David said it long ago, Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth.Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell. Read the book, What Does The Bible Really Teach and the Bible today! To learn a lot more, go to jw.org.
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