Planet Near the House Cusp in KP 1. In a KP chart, the Hindu rasi chart is divided by the unequal Placidus cusps in forming a bhava chart. The rasi chart is used in applying the Hindu rasi to rasi aspects, and the bhava chart is used in consideration of signification by occupation the planet. 2. When a planet in 12th rasi but moved into the 11th house in the KP Placidus bhava chart generally will give the effects of 11th house since it occupies the 11th house. 3. But when that planet is located very close to the 12th cusp, say within orb of 3° 20’ or less, whether it will give the effects of 11th house or 12th house or both 11th and 12th houses depends on the experience and preference of an astrologer as shown in the following article. Orb Theory for Planets near the House Cusps by tw853@yaoo Origin of Theory 1. Western Origin Claudius Ptolemy gave the so-called ‘five degree rule’ in his Tetrabiblos, a planet falling in the last 5 degrees of a house is judged to be in the next house, and applied it only to certain houses for a specific purpose. His disciples included all 12 houses in the rule. In William Lilly’s Christian Astrology, when a planet is within 5 degrees of the following house, it is to count the next house. It is perhaps like aspects between planets, the planets have a few degrees of orb and this puts it in conjunction with the following cusp. 2. Vedic Origin In the Vedic and Nadi astrology, the following time frames and consequent approximate degrees, approximately around 5° except for Moon, are attributed to different planets in transit which they tend to give the influence of next sign in advance before the planet actually enters into the next sign: Sn Planet Advance Degree 1 Sun ------5 days ---- 5 2 Moon -----1.12 hr----- 0.6 3 Mars ------8 days----- 5 4 Mercury---7 days----- 7 5 Jupiter-----2 months-- 5 6 Venus-----7 days------ 7 7 Saturn----4 months--- 4 8 Rahu/Ketu-2 months-- 3.3 3. KP Origin In the example chart, Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications, page 281, Moon at 21° 30’ Gemini, which is very near the 12th cusp, indicates life in a foreign place, and Moon is considered as if placed in the 12th house, although it is physically located in the 11th house. In the example chart, KP Reader IV, 1970, pages 107-108, the 7th cusp sub lord Rahu at 13° 09’ Libra is physically located in the 10th house but very near the 11th cusp at 15° 38’ 42” Libra within 2° 30’ orb gives marriage, which is the result of next 11th house. 4. Different Opinions In the example chart, K.P. & Astrology Year Book 2000 pages 81-83 and also 2003 page 46 (by T. Rajendra Kumar), Jupiter at 10° 16’ Capricorn is actually in the 5th house but very close to the 6th cusp at 11° 13’ Capricorn, giving the result of 6th house of service; similarly Saturn at 9° 08’ Gemini which is actually in the 10th house, giving the 11th house results by being very near the 11th cusp at 11° 35’ Gemini. Also in the example charts of Times of Astrology magazine it is noted that if a planet is within 1° or 2° behind the cusp of a house and no other planet is in the following house, it gains the significance of the following house, e.g. Jupiter gains significance of the 6th house and loses signification of the 5th house where Jupiter is actually located since there is no planet in the 6th house. In the example chart, K.P. & Astrology Year Book 2005, pages 58-61 (by C.V. Tyagaraja Iyer), the 2nd cusp sub lord Moon close to the 2nd cusp within 5° orb offered 2nd marriage to the native. In experience of Anant Raichur as well as of Sunil Gondhalekar, when planets are close to a cusp, they give not only results of the house they are in, but also predominantly of the house to which they are near, fixing the orb 3° 20’as 1/4 of a pada of the nakshatra, as an approximation. But it can be extended to 4°-5°, if needed especially for the fast moving planets. Chandrakant R. Bhatt - Nakshatra Chintamani: If a planet is within 5° of the cuspal degree of a house, it exerts its influence on both the houses. However, the ‘practical application cannot be found in solved examples in his books. K. Subramanium: Astrology for Beginner, Vol 3, page 355-358 - a planet 5° or 6° close to the next cusp may signify the previous cusp; a planet 1° or 2° close to the next cusp having the same sub lord of the next cusp may signify the next cusp. In the chart of Margaret Thatcher, former Prime Minister of England, born on October 13, 1925 at 9:00 AM, GMT, in Grantham, England, 52n55, 0w39, Time zone GMT h0e, has Saturn at 10° Scorpio 43’ close to her Ascendant at 15° Scorpio 16’ appears on/in her Ascendant, not relating primarily to the 12th house. Saturn rules her 3rd house (mind-set) and the British media named her the iron lady, certainly a Saturnine description. Her Moon at 28° Leo 38’ late in the 9th house also relates into affairs of the 10th house (a take charge personality) at 3° Virgo 51’. (Noel Tyl) In the chart of Rolling Stones Rock legend, Mick Jagger, born on July 26, 1943, for the commonly used birth time 6:30 am D-BST, Time zone GDWT h2e (double war time), Dartford, England, 0e14, 51n27, astro/im/vip/chart_jagger_e.gif, his Sun at 2° Leo 20’ close to the Ascendant is 4° Leo 18’ seems better delineated as being in the 1st house rather than the 12th house (an independent loner). (Moderator Tom, Skyscript Astrology Forum) According to the Astrodienst Staff Writers (Readings through astro), any planet occupying a position near the end of a house is interpreted as belonging to the next house. For example chart of Steve Jobs, born on 24 Feb 1955, 19:15 pm , San Francisco, CA (US), long: 122w25 lat: 37n47, his Uranus at Cancer 24°0806 at the end of 10th house is interpreted in the next 11th house at Cancer 24°28 41’’. (Liz Greene) For example chart, born on 28 Sep 2001, 11:42 am, Time zone 5 h west, Daylight Saving Time, 95w27, 30n19, Uranus at Aquarius 21°1935 is technically near the end of 2nd house and is interpreted in the 3rd house beginning at Aquarius 22°2724. Pluto at Sagittarius 12°5338 is technically near the end of 12th house and is interpreted in the 1st house commencing at Sagittarius 14°5002. (Robert Hand) However, depending on orb, the Sun, which is 4° back from the 6th house cusp is in the border area and is a mixture of 5th and 6th houses. (Robert Hand: Horoscope Symbols) Carl Woebcke: You and the Universe - If the Sun is in the 3rd house and also within 3°- 4° orb (depending on planet) of the 4th house cusp, then its expression through the 4th fourth house is at least as strong as through the third; if its orb is less than 1.5°, it should be read as though it were in the 4th house and not in the 3rd house at all. Michael McClain: If the planet is close enough to be considered in conjunction with the next house cusp, say within around 2°, the action of the planet will most likely be directed into the oncoming house. Stephen Arroyo: Astrology, Karma, and Transformation - Any planet located within 4° of a house cusp can be interpreted as belonging to, and concerning itself with the issues of both houses. In the horoscope analysis of astrotheme , regarding ‘precision’, according to the tradition, a planet near the beginning (called cuspide) of the next house (less than 4 degrees for the Ascendant and the Midheaven, and less than 3 degrees for all other houses) belongs to this house in our texts. Martin Bulgerin: As you move counter-clockwise from one house to the next, the new houses influence starts to check in about 5° before the actual cusp position. Jeff Jowa also likes to use orb of about 5° with house cusps. Barbara Lee: Much depends on how far in degree the planet is from the next house cusp. If, for instance, Mars at 24° Aries close to the 10th house cusp at 26° Aries, the planet, while technically in the 9th house will operate more like a 10th house comparative placement. John Frawley: Sports Astrology - A planet conjunct the house cusp but technically in the preceding house, could be seen as having power over the affairs of that house. So if Jupiter is 2° from the 7th house cusp, then it might be seen as having power over the 7th. Kevin B. Burk: Depending on which house system you use, a planet may fall in different houses. For natal interpretations, a planet close to a house cusp, particularly when it is about to enter the next house, can often be interpreted in terms of both houses; blending the interpretations of the houses is often both useful and appropriate in these cases. In horary and predictive astrology, a planet within 3–4 degrees of a house cusp is usually interpreted as being in the next house. Zane B Stein: Traditionally, if a planet is in one house, but within five degrees of the cusp of the next house, it is read in the following house. Thus, Neptune in the 3rd within 5 degrees of the 4th cusp would be read as a 4th house influence. However, it has been my experience that this is an oversimplification, and that the planet is felt in both houses, but has its strongest impact on the next house. Thus, you would feel Neptune in both houses, but the impact would be strongest in the 4th. Robert Wilkinson: Depending on which system(s) we use, well get a variety of points that mark the cusps of the houses. But if it occupies a degree that puts it in one house in one system and an adjacent house in another system, then that planetary function involves how those adjacent houses affect each other. Rather than being in one or the other, its actually in both simultaneously. Donna Cunningham, ‘How to Read your Astrology Chart’: Instead of crisp dividing lines, there may be gray areas shading gradually from one house into the other. What the interviews for any planet within five degrees of an intermediate cusp clarify, as often as not, is that the planet on the cusp affects and is affected by the matters of both houses. Joanna Martine Woolfolk - ‘The Only Astrology Book Youll Ever Need’: If you were cusp born, you are under the influence of both signs. However, much like being a traveler just leaving one country and crossing into another, you must actually be in one country – you can’t be in two countries at the same time. One sign is always a stronger influence, and that sign is almost invariably the sign that the Sun was actually in. Jean Baptiste Morin: Astrlogia Gallica, Astrological Books: It is noted that the ancients determined the strength or influence of a planet in a house is the same regardless of where the planet is placed in the house. This he regarded as contrary to reason of the five degree rule. It is also argued that the houses do not begin five degrees before the cusps because if that were true, the planet posited in that five-degree area would no longer have influence on the preceding house. 5. Observation There is the possibility of orb effect for a planet very near the next cusp to give the results of the next house depending how tight is the orb. The modern tendency is to use small orbs from around 5°-6° by J Mayo, and Maurice Wemyss to about 3°- 4° by DA Bradley and CEO Carter. (Geoffrey Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology) and 1°-2° by T. Rajendra Kumar, Michael McClain, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke etc. 1°-2° to give the result of next house only, and if the orb is larger than that the planet is supposed to give the results of the previous house only. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both previous and next houses, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, CR Bhatts Nakshatra Chintamani). The orb theory for planets near the house cusps is not a rule consistently applied in the KP Readers although the 3° 20’ orb theory has been found applied in KP practice to some extent. But the charts against the orb theory of planets near the cusps have been noted in the KP articles and discussion forum. It is open to further research on practical charts for or against the theory that a house begins, say 3° 20’ before the next cusp. Whether to apply the orb theory or not is therefore up to the preference and experience of an astrologer. Source: KP-Ezine April 2012 issue, free download @ kpastrologer
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