Rebuttal to a Hindu apologist GOD DEBUNKED Proposition 1 //As I see, God is a constant factor used to know what lies beyond our understanding. .............In similar way, we understand lot of things by logic, that we perceive by our senses, so no god comes into picture as there is rational explanation to understand those perceived experiences. But then there r lot other experiences, happenings, feelings, thoughts, etc. that r beyond individual’s logic – so here a person bring in factor called god.// This proposition has already been debunked by God-Of-the-Gaps-Fallacy. As i see it you are proposing God dwelling in gutters of human ignorance. Read this to gain more knowledge rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps Proposition 2 //The most hard core scientist with latest knowledge in science will agree to the following : A- In the beginning there was nothing – absolute nothing – no space, no time – just nothing. But even nothing has energy (law of physics). So by accident – this energy in nothing initiated a big bang. By accident billions of galaxies and trillions of planets got formed. The only laws prevalent were of physics. Then by accident out of these trillions of planets – in few planets – physical laws started giving birth to chemical laws and chemistry started happening. Then by accident, out of these few planets – only on one planet (as per our current knowledge) laws of chemistry started giving birth to laws of biology and by act of accident first living cell got formed. After this, millions of accidents helped change a single cell into complex cells and systems and here we r.// If i wanted to troll your post i would have reitrated your own summarisation that God is Nothing, but then Arguments from Ignorance need to be dealt with ironhand rather. The answer is NO. Scientists, especially cosmologists who work on origins of universe do not agree to your either of sub-propositions, being.. 1) In the beginning there was absolute nothing... has already been debunked. Read this book to gain more knowledge.......en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing 2) Everything happened by accident .......... While your proposition can be discredit by one statement from Albert Einstein, God does not play dice, it has been thoroughly debunked here talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html And read this book en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_of_the_Cosmos And this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Does_God_Play_Dice%3F_The_New_Mathematics_of_Chaos And this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect And understand what is Scientific Determinism rationalwiki.org/wiki/Determinism To consol you here is here something by Stephen Hawking hawking.org.uk/does-god-play-dice.html Proposition 3 //God is similarly a thing to focus – maybe imaginary. There r too many distractions in life – one is in danger of losing ones aim / path to the vagaries of life. God does serve as a faint light – focusing on which we can find our way through ups and downs of life – happily. This is one of the reasons religious people r happier. This focus is achieved by praying. I don’t think there is any god that actually answers prayers – in case he does, then I will call such a god as narcissistic god. But prayers do help a person – reason – it helps him focus – connect his head to his heart – arise his senses and helps him concentrate on the issues at hand.// Here... I dont mind such a psychological need for weak and feeble minded youtube/watch?v=zV-aIhVUu3E But truth must be told, known and realised. Truth cannot be servant to people fancies and imaginations. Infact Religious and Spiritual beliefs make people more prone to depression, instead of making them happier. Read this if you have courage. psychologytoday/blog/the-human-beast/201102/does-religion-make-people-happier psychologytoday/blog/the-human-beast/201005/why-atheism-will-replace-religion journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8826658&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0033291712003066 newsfeed.time/2012/04/06/where-are-the-worlds-happiest-countries/ forbes/2010/07/14/world-happiest-countries-lifestyle-realestate-gallup.html On //But prayers do help a person – reason – it helps him focus – connect his head to his heart// davidmyers.org/Brix?pageID=122 nytimes/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 old.richarddawkins.net/articles/825-the-god-debate Here is worlds pioneer Neuroscientist V.S. Ramachandran goethe.de/ges/phi/dos/her/ren/en2507250.htm youtube/watch?v=pyBcoYBbqHQ youtube/watch?v=W5g4SSA4Zi8 bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrainqa.shtml youtube/watch?v=XSqOQ65CAts and finally to change your mood... Dan Barkers song youtube/watch?v=qPZPGlBgXUY and George Carlin youtube/watch?v=yxYtA3VNf0Q All said and done, however, if you said meditation instead of prayer, my response would have been different. Worship, Prayer and Meditation are three completely different things. Worship involves rituals and pleasing of god/s. Prayer involves personal relationship with God/s. While meditation is a completely different thing...and does not require god. To understand this you will have to read this latest book amazon/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion-ebook/dp/B00GEEB9YC Proposition 4 //God as a Standard Bearer : We are always looking up to someone. As children, our parents are our heroes but slowly we start growing up and see them as humans – then great personalities become our heroes – as we need to constantly look up to someone......................In similar way – we humans need minimum values and standards to function as a society – God is a standard bearer of those values. Minus these values we r savages// Response... More knowledge for you amazon/Good-Without-God-Billion-Nonreligious/dp/006167012X A book for kids amazon/The-Illustrated-Magic-Reality-Really/dp/1451690215 Watch all 3 parts youtube/watch?v=VpCOLbhtIh4 On Morality youtube/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww On evolution of morality amazon/The-Bonobo-Atheist-Humanism-Primates-ebook/dp/B007Q6XKEY And more by same author amazon/Primates-Philosophers-Morality-Evolved-Princeton/dp/0691141290 But you have to really wait for another 4 years for this proposition to die unnatural death hecc.ubc.ca/cerc/project-summary/ Proposition 4 //God to understand mysteries : I would like God to be real – I would love to know all secrets of life – what are the origins of universe - how did life formed – what happens after death – where r my loved ones – can we share our laughs again – y did I not succeed as I would have wished – r there any other universes – what happens in them – what lies beyond our senses - were we of free will or were we just guided as living robots with programming control with someone else, what r the real facts of past, etc . Who can provide answers – but God.// The Last Refuge , Argument from Ignorance ? Some more knowledge en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Boeing_747_gambit livescience/23251-science-religion-god-physics.html amazon/Daniel-Dennett-Reconciling-Science-Self-Conception/dp/0745621171 books.google.co.in/books/about/Science_and_Religion.html?id=IlMqAQAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y io9/5975778/scientific-evidence-that-you-probably-dont-have-free-will scientificamerican/article/finding-free-will/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will Proposition 5 //So in conclusion - we need a God – consequences of having no god – will be disastrous. So we need to re-invent a god. God needs to be evolving with changing times – he should not be rigid. It is better to have multiple gods – reason – single god can acquire lot of power hence chances of abuse r more (as seen in abharamic god) – better to distribute power to various gods – have Him have a human face with human frailties - u know where I am getting to – yes – a hindu idea of god// Already proven with conclusive evidence and scientific research above that God/Religion is not needed for humans to be moral. This belief is a child abuse. This belief stems from ignorance of weak and unskeptical minds. That there is a definite correlation between decrease in religiosity and increase in happiness. In light of all that has been said, your ambitious polytheistic apologetic proposition falls flat since more gods would only mean even lesser happiness, even lesser morals, rise in superstitions, rise of ignorance, rise in child abuse. Yes, it does dilute the fanaticism to a bit for lack of potency, but does not stablise any idiocy or delusion index, as evident in your case. ------------------------------- Your derivation .... //Is the real problem of atheist that they have absent or abusive fathers resulting in not looking upto someone and hence hating god or r they simply brainwashed into unbelief?// My Derivation......... 1) The real reason why you think atheists are bastards or have abusive fathers is because you from your male dominated chauvinist religious indoctrination Its fathers who drill religion in kids, so you think if we lack belief in god we would be lacking fathers as well or their love. 2) The real reason why you think we cannot look upto someone is because of your frail knowledge in Secular Humanism, reason and rationale. I have a reason to stop at traffic light, which is safety of myself, my family and other humans. You dont. You would only stop if there is a policeman waiting to cut a challan for you. Thats what god is for you. Something to fear, so you can pretend to have morals and compassion. Atheists need no such weak reasons. They are driven by humanism and need for co-existence. huffingtonpost/2012/05/01/religious-compassion-atheists-agnostics_n_1468006.html newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/religionandgenerosity/ 3) hating god ............ Cant hate something that doesnt exist. I dont hate Harry Potter or Green Lantern either. 4) brainwashed into unbelief ............. Yes. If you could call Science, Reason, Rationale, Logic and Humanism as brainwashing.
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