Saddened by the rising violence in Palestine, I am trying to learn more about the subject and reflect on the notions on ownership of land versus historical connections. These are very interesting arguments from various people commenting on a YouTube video. I am copying them here because they are a bit hard to find in the video page. How can we solve this? @Dim BN: yeah, if history determines where you belong to, then lets give back US to the native americans, or lets kick Spaniards from Spain, since it was Roman first, or lets etc, etc. The land of todays called Israel has been longest occupied by other than Jewish in the past, read history. Reply · 4 Hide replies Deedee Musa1 week ago How do you explain this for jews in palestine that converted to christianity or islam? i can guarantee you that a good percentage of palestinians living in occupied palestine are sephardic jews by dna. you want to treat judaism as an identity? you better do it for everyone. the biggest issue here is that you think that because bad things happened historically, it justifies bad actions today? Clearly you havent learned a damn thing. Reply · Frankie McGuire1 week ago (edited) +Deedee Musa You are 100% correct. Today Native Americans are no longer held at gun point and slaughtered by the white man like they were when Europeans first arrived. And those early colonialist such as teh Brits were defeated and kicked out of the US hence July 4th. Unlike Palestine were the European invaders are still slaughtering the natives, bulldozing their homes and stealing there land. All against international law which was not in place when the white man came to America. In fact international law, which Israel violates every day, was set up to protect civilians after the Holocaust. Ironic isnt it? Israelis have less DNA connection to Abraham that Palestinians. Ben Gurion and Ben Avi both clearly stated that 90% of Palestinians were direct descendants of Abraham that did not go into exile and mix with their new homeland, 90% of them were once Jews and Christians. And if that is not enough the Hebrew and Tel Aviv Universities both did genetic research proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that 82% of Palestinians were descendants of Abraham while only 70% of Israelis (remember that includes the Palestinians Israelis that make up 20% of Israels citizens) have any link to Abraham. To sum it up. Genetic research proved that 82% of Palestinians are descendants of the people that lived in that region from biblical times. Only 70% of Israelis are descendants of those same people that inhabited the region during biblical times and that 70% have a loose connection seeing they lived in Europe, Russia etc for thousands of years. You are 100% correct and Israeli PMs and presidents along with Israeli universities genetic studies prove you are correct. Show less Reply · Gahariet Melanthios1 week ago I am just saying that claiming a land based on the fact you were there earlier at some point, is not a justification, if many were there before you and many were there after you. Reply · 1 Deedee Musa1 week ago How about keeping it simple: occupying land that does not belong to you, terrorizing and murdering the people, and denying basic human rights is wrong. Reply · 3 Gahariet Melanthios1 week ago +Deedee Musa I couldnt agree more, my friend. Reply · Tilah Maricar1 week ago +Deedee Musa Yes, i totally agree with that!! Reply · Aryeh Green1 week ago Just for the record, if you want to be accurate (and seen as a legitimate media outlet) - do you? - you must note that there is serious disagreement in the legal community regarding whether Israel is in fact an illegal occupier. It would be correct to state that the vast majority of governments in the world reject Israels presence in the disputed territories known as the West Bank of the Jordan river or geographically and historically as Judea & Samaria. But this is a political and policy position. All western legal scholars agree that (1) Israels presence is prima facie legal, resulting from a defensive military operation in 67 under the UN Charter (having been attacked by Jordan), following Jordans illegal occupation (agreed by all!) of the territories for 19 years between 1949-1967, and based on a genuine and never rescinded legal claim and rights based on the Mandate given to Great Britain to establish a Jewish national home in (all of) Palestine, on both sides of the Jordan river; and (2) the Geneva Convention, to which you refer here, is therefore not applicable, due to the above and most importantly that there was no legal sovereign in those territories when Israel regained them in 67. Jews buying and building on (public) land in these territories is not a transfer of population into occupied territory as outlawed by the Geneva convention. None of this suggests that one cannot promote a withdrawal by Israel from these territories as one potential way to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict. (Another way would be for the majority of Arab and Muslim and Palestinian leadership to stop teaching that Jews have no connection or rights at all to the Land of Israel and stop encouraging their people to hate and attack Jews and Israelis - and Christians and the West in general.) But recognizing that an Israeli withdrawal, and the establishment of a Palestinian state in the disputed territories (which a majority of Israelis still support in spite of continual attacks), is a major concession on the part of Israel and the Jewish people, giving up the heartland of the Jewish nation and birthplace of the Jewish people in the cause of peace, and is not simply a necessary step it must do to conform with a twisted view of international law, will go a long way to bringing that possibility about. And whether on a YouTube video or in AJ reporting, a bit of accuracy distinguishing between law and politicals, truth and propaganda, would help as well. Show less Reply · 2 SubtitledArabicSongs1 week ago lol all legal scholars except those in the international court of Justice... Hell even The Israeli high court, you should follow your own advice and separate politics from the law. The video being commented is about settlement, its at youtube/watch?v=1sib5HbdEV4
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