This was an amazing dialog in 2010....excellent back and forth with really no personal attacks. My opinion has not changed, I believed the money spent to transport soldiers bodies through Toronto was disrespectful and the money should go to the villages, towns and cities where the soldier comes from to create a real lasting memorial. It is the dialog, not really the subject, and, it was one of the better ones. READ IF YOU HAVE TIME, IT SHOWS WHAT WE ALL ARE CAPABLE OF. GREAT MIND OPENING DISCUSSION AND WE LEFT LIKING ONE ANOTHER. OSHAWA SUPPORTS OUR TROOPS EVERYDAY SPECIAL COMMUNITY EVENT ! Should we DO THIS ? FEEDBACK WANTED ! August 30, 2010 at 4:15pm A QUESTION to EVERYONE: I was thinking how often we see our community gather on the highways and bridges when a Canadian Soldier loses his or her life while in the line of Duty. Many other Soldiers never get the opportunity to see our appreciation for all of their hard work, and for their dedication to our country. Its a shame. All of our troops should be have a HERO status, not just when they have lost their lives, but everyday. This FRIDAY September 3rd, at the Simcoe Street Bridge, on the Highway of Heroes we will have thousands upon thousands of families passing through Oshawa on the 401, traffic will be moving slowly, and we could have an opportunity to send a message that OSHAWA SUPPORTS OUR TROOPS ! We could gather on the bridge, wave flags, hold signs, show our community spirit, and most of all, let everyone know, that we support our troops every single day. No politics, no election signs, just community spirit. Lets all put our differences down, and support this cause. Its just 1 hour. A number of organizers are ready to help promote this EVENT. If you would like to help, please call me 905 579 1462. 5-6 pm... This will be the FIRST event EVER of its kind in Canada if we decide to get this done. Can we get the community out ? Will YOU come and support our Troops ? Should we tell everyone that OSHAWA supports our troops, not just in times of sorrow, or passing, but every single moment. ? Should we show everyone that OSHAWA Cares ?Please give me some feedback on this. What do YOU think ? should we do this ? ITS A GO ! Press RELEASE ISSUED. LikeLike · · Share Debbie Grills Yes Candidate Steele, I Candidate Grills would love to support this idea. Friday at General Motors is wear your red shirt to show support of the troops so I think this is a great idea and as this is the long weekend and General Motors is on Holidays that day perhaps we could get some of their support to wear their red shirts and stand proud on the bridges of Oshawa Friday night as everyone is leaving for the long weekend...... Keep up with these great ideas Bill you make us all proud to live in Oshawa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! August 30, 2010 at 4:25pm · Like · 1 Dale Jodoin yes August 30, 2010 at 4:46pm · Like Bruce Borland Sorry, dont think so... August 30, 2010 at 6:13pm · Like Jacob Johnathon Jodoin Sounds great Mr.Steele.For all our soldiers do,this will be a excellent way to show our appreciation! August 30, 2010 at 6:46pm · Like Bruce Borland SO for admittance, can we ask all those attending to find Afghanistan on the map...wont be cruel and ask them to spell it...I was going to spare you guys this one, but the whole charade is an abuse of the soldiers killed serving their country by using their body for Harpers propaganda prosession... remember, if we do not support A, we do not support out troops...so lets spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to parade the unfortunate soldiers body while being transported to the ones they loved...why not fly the bodies wherever, then donate the cash saved to some charity in their honour?...no, because Harper would not get the press he wants... August 30, 2010 at 7:29pm · Like Jacob Johnathon Jodoin @Bruce Borland-This is a Federal subject.I understand if you do not like Wars like the one in Afghanistan,but Bill Steele or any other Oshawa candidate can not stop the war,so Bill Steele is setting up this event for our soldiers.And since I can not stop wars,I am attending. August 30, 2010 at 7:34pm · Like Barbara Parrott Bruce we may not always agree with the decision made by our elected representative. But lets support the people who had no choice, forced upon them, by the decision our politicians made. August 30, 2010 at 7:37pm · Like · 2 Bruce Borland You are all missing what I said...now, listen, I said give them a better longer lasting memorial to them personally...presently the money is being wasted frivolous by these archaic processions and all because of one political ideology in this country,,,the soldiers die, if they could tell us whether they would rather see the money go to a charity to build a community center in their name or 5 minutes of fame...read before you leap....and, with all the tax whiners in the region, I fail to understand with the costs to the taxpayer, but, that is not my case I would not make as my taxes are just fine August 30, 2010 at 8:08pm · Like Barbara Parrott Sorry Bruce if I misunderstood your comment to. August 30, 2010 at 8:18pm · Like Robert T Bell I will try to be there ... funny saying that - the soldiers travel around the world for us ... and we try to be there for them. August 30, 2010 at 8:23pm · Like · 1 Bill Steele Bruce, I do not support this war. I support our troops. I also support all the vets that allowed us to enjoy the freedom we have. Lets keep the politics out please. We can do that later, I promise. August 30, 2010 at 8:33pm · Like · 2 Sandra Wood-Szauter Well said Bill. Delon and I will try to make it - we may not live in Oshawa (yet!!) but we support the idea whole heartedly. I definitely want to be there....with camera in hand August 31, 2010 at 12:16am · Like Louise Parkes We do not have to support war to support our troops.The WWII vets made sure my life was great.Peace is a privilege and blessing not to be taken for granted. August 31, 2010 at 12:17am · Like Jacob Johnathon Jodoin Sorry Mr.Borland if I did not undertsand your comment.To me you were calling us idiots in this commentSO for admittance, can we ask all those attending to find Afghanistan on the map...wont be cruel and ask them to spell it...Maybe it is a matter of prospective,but that comment deserved a little feedback.We could not have a Highway of Heroes and just fly their bodies wherever,great plan...seriously.Highway of Heroes is the last thing we have in Oshawa to show we still support our troops...and sadly only the dead ones.That is why I am attending this event because all of our troops deserve to be recognized.What they do for Afghanistan is outstanding.They build schools for little children,they help communities...but I am sure you know that.If you think Highway of Heroes is a waste of money,they so be.I am sticking with my guns here. I have nothing against you...but I can not agree with you this time. August 31, 2010 at 12:34am · Unlike · 1 Sandra Wood-Szauter Well said Jacob - I felt the remark about finding Afghanistan on the map was a little over the top. I am attending because my husband served this beautiful country of ours - and I felt rather insulted by what he said. August 31, 2010 at 3:07am · Like · 1 Dale Jodoin I support my troops in Afghanistan and the ones hue have come back from there and the peacekeepers. August 31, 2010 at 7:17am · Like Bruce Borland William, the politics entered when this unprecedented event was started by the Harper crowd using the bodies for a form of propaganda...the boys and girls who die in this misadventure, should be honoured in a respectful long lasting way...these event are orchestrated costly affairs that serve no purpose...and, come on people, these soldiers are a completely different entity to the WW1, 2....there is no similarity at all...the men who died to protect us back then were not volunteers seeking a good job with good benefits...they were starving and out of work and took the best opportunity for the moment, or, they were conscripts...one hell of a big difference from taking a good job that may, sadly, involve death...but so does construction, taxi driver, oil worker, fishers, the list of dangerous occupation with a far higher death rate and we are not standing on bridges for them..paring this event with the previous wars is disrespectful to the men who stormed the beaches against insurmountable odds, flew into fire, the Camp X people who went behind the lines, the nurses and doctors on the front...it is absolutely disgusting to be treating them as the same heroes...migod, one it was rumoured to have died when he rolled the truck when he was mind altered and everyone dutifully ran to the bridge...you actually honoured a drunk driver...this has nothing to do with my political beliefs, it has to do with common pride and if this is the best we can do, then our whole society is in trouble...I believed those who went to Vietnam and suffered were heroes because most were not regular army; I do not hold the same empathy for those in Iraq and Afghanistan as they are all regular army and should they survive, and the odds are in their favour, they return to very lucrative results...all you who stand on the bridge are grasping for something to be proud of while I was proud of the peacekeeping role that saved us from WW3 and was far more productive than what we have today...I am proud of Canada and do not have to stand on a bridge waving while my government, a government not by choice, parades the body of a young person who only tried to forage out a life and died for it...they are being used as are you....and I totally resent it being used as a campaign event. August 31, 2010 at 8:48am · Like Bruce Borland Louise, get real, I have a history book for you if you have not one in your library...nice political speech though... interesting what one will say or do to get elected...this war has nothing to do with peace...and if you read properly, you would understand that I never said not honour them, but not honour them in such a disrespectful manner....do you not have any empathy for the families waiting on the receiving end?...think they are really excited about this whole affair?...has anyone asked what they would prefer....I doubt it because it would not fit Harpers agenda...I know I would want my child home to hug and send on their way to hopefully a better place....what is Harpers agenda?...make people believe that there is a real enemy and they are killing our boys and girls, and people, we have to fight these evil beasts...well, people, this is the day of the internet, take some time to find out who these evil beasts actually are...what the innocents feel...believe me, we are perceived to be the evil beasts, not them...take that 30 seconds on the bridge on the net and educate yourself to find out our troops are being sacrificed for nothing...nothing but profit...ok...now tell me all about WW2 Louise...I lived with the men and woman that returned...and you know what, they did not want bridge ceremonies, they, the real heroes, did not even want to remember it....those that did, never left a desk....it was not the John Wayne everyone comes back a hero scenario, it was fear beyond human comprehension, things like missing in action did not mean they went for a walk and never returned, and even worse, many, the Hong Kong vets, returned to die very young because their bodies had been destroyed...no bridges for them, migod we cannot even get a day beyond a civil servant and bank holiday set aside for them...the schools even abandoned the day because the teachers had a better use for the day off...isnt there a line how soon we are forgotten...well this charade is the reason real heros are forgotten. Jacob, if the hat fits, then so be it...but please, lets talk, this goes far deeper than flag waving and people just do not get it...the Highway of Heroes is a joke, my opinion, got that, my opinion, only counts as 1...now, why a joke?... define hero...if someone driving down a road gets blown up, sad, and I do hurt for them...called empathy...but are they heroes?...if they are, then what about the man who dies saving his fellow soldiers, a man like Edward Dunlop who was blinded saving his men by falling on a grenade, the pilot who died giving his men time to bail?...those are heroes...do you see any highways for them?...do we stand on bridges for them?...this is all a product of the decline of teaching real history in favour of the alice in wonderland stuff taught in schools today. August 31, 2010 at 9:17am · Like Jacob Johnathon Jodoin Campaign event?If you read the note it clearly states No politics, no election signs, just community spirit. Lets all put our differences down, and support this cause.I am sorry,but it is not a campaign event.Although I do not speak on behalf of Bill Steele,I do speak on behalf of our brave soldiers.First you said this Highway of Heroes was a waste of money and now you say it is because of respect to WWII vets that we should not have it?I have no disrepsect for you,and personally have nothing against you like I stated up above.So why is it,a soldier dies in Europe in the early 1940s is more important then now...I see no difference.I see brave men who take on the rule as a peace keeper. But you are right Heroes are not people whom help build schools for little girls that do not know how to read or write...that does not make a hero?The difference between this war and WWII is that it was a World War...this War is to help the people of Afghanistan recoperate from the terrorist attacks.I read your opinion and I accept it,but here was my opinion... August 31, 2010 at 9:29am · Like Bruce Borland Migod Jacob, we have to talk...I cannot write here because it becomes disrespectful to those who believe if I continue...it is a campaign event plain and simple and an offshoot of an even greater campaign event, Harper and the reform...the rest, well over coffee because I see a serious lack of history being taught in school...there is absolutely no comparison between these people and those who fought in wars...and I personally find it offensive to be comparing them to the WW1 men as my grandfather fought in Afghanistan, South Africa and was killed in France after returning twice after wounds...those are heroes...ok...Jacob, ever read a book called Dumming Down of a Nation?...good read and it applies to Lansing and Oshawa and many other industrial areas...we can talk and I will tell you real stories of real heroes... August 31, 2010 at 9:55am · Like Jacob Johnathon Jodoin There is no denying that there was plenty heroes in WWI and WWII. But we have to sit back and realize there is also heroes in Afghanistan. So,maybe it is a campaign event,maybe the whole Highway of Heroes is a giant campaign event done by Harper.Does that mean we should not support the Men and Women who do their duty in the army? August 31, 2010 at 10:15am · Like Sandra Wood-Szauter I personally find it offensive to be comparing them to the WW1 men as my grandfather fought in Afghanistan, South Africa and was killed in France after returning twice after wounds...those are heroes Are you kidding me? So is your grandfather a hero because he died and served in two different parts of the world? Because my husband lived to tell HIS story of war in Iraq - that makes him LESS of a hero?? Give me a break. You always come across as a bit of an arrogant sod but this time you are being a full blown asshole. August 31, 2010 at 5:53pm · Like Bruce Borland Sandra, you know Sandra, if I thought there was the remotest possibility that you could even comprehend the difference, I would make an attempt but since your reading and comprehension abilities obviously suffer along with your historical knowledge, I will not make any derogatory comments towards you...you, my dear, are a classic indication of the education system gone bad...be sure you will not be turning down all those fringe benefits your husband gets...how could you possibly compare running around in a Hummer to anything real men suffered for the love of their country in real wars and not for a lucrative lifestyle...by the way, are we calling it a war now or an insurgency? And Jacob: There is no denying that there was plenty heroes in WWI and WWII...e on Jacob, no denying?....migod, man, there is just no comparison....it was a hell that none of us can comprehend but we must display empathy else we will repeat...it was the lowest point of mans existence and while I respect you as a young man learning, you have to understand the difference between a good job with risk as opposed to a young man like you, being taken, then shipped to a land he may never have heard of, maybe Galipoli, where if the guns did not get you disease would...no Hummers to run around in, just a gun, a shovel and maybe, if lucky, some maggot infested food...there is not a day goes by that I dont see kids like you, and think that if this new militaristic Canada, Harpers Canada, continues, I will see what I have feared all my life, seeing our young going off to the slaughter...not some backwater with no real enemy... Marissa, you are right and it will be my last post as long as the likes of Sandra dont tune in with useless insulting dialog...funny, if it was not so sad, her husband obviously did not have freedom of speech, freedom of expression as a reason for being in Iraq... September 1, 2010 at 8:39am · Like Bill Harris As a past serving member of the Canadian Armed Forces and father of an Afghanistan veteran. I think that any support that we can show for our troops is great and I am allways on the Simcoe St. bridge, summer, spring, winter, or fall when my fallen comrades return home. Unfortunately, allthough the date and time of the repatriation ceremony for Cpl. Brian Pinksen has not been announced yet, it may well be Friday at around 4.30 through Oshawa and I will definately attend. Lest We Forget September 1, 2010 at 10:45am · Like · 1 Bill Harris UPDATE; The Repatriation Ceremony for Cpl. Brian Pinksen. Will take place on Thursday arriving Trenton 2.00pm and passing through Oshawa at approximately 3.45. September 1, 2010 at 12:59pm · Like Sandra Wood-Szauter A classic indication of the education system gone bad????! Again - another insult to the intelligence of someone who dares to disagree with you Bruce. Your patronizing comments about finding Afghanistan on the map...your insinuation of my husband running around in a hummer....you think this was FUN for him? You think its a joke??? Your snide remarks and sarcasm towards folks who disagree with you infuriate me. That being said - I am also done commenting (and Bill - Ill see you Friday). September 1, 2010 at 1:11pm · Like Jack Snedden Bruce, youre way over the top on this one. First of all, the Liberals got us into this war-NOT our current prime minister. Secondly, to term the return of the remains along the Highway of Heros as Harpers propaganda procession is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. It is Canadian Forces proceedure that every body coming home undergo an autopsy in Toronto. The results of each and every autopsy provide valuable information in the design of safer battlefield equipment. Im proud to support this war because it was those Afghan bastards who flew a plane into the twin towers killing over 100 innocent Canadians under the direction of Osama Bin Laden. Im still haunted by the grizzly sight of seeing people jumping to their deaths from over 100 storys above the ground to escape the searing heat of the inferno. I also support a womans right to education, to marry whom she chooses and to show whatever amount of bare skin she chooses without being stoned to death. Bruce, I suggest that you read a little about Al-Qaeda and these Jihadist, fundamentalist idiots who have chosen to declare war on all non muslims. Yes Bruce, I am proud to support this war and I will not be happy until Bin Ladens body parts undergo the same humiliating torchure as that imposed on Canadian prisoners of war in WW2 by the Japanese army. September 1, 2010 at 1:50pm · Like · 1 Jack Snedden The repatriation of Cpl. Pinksens remains is Thursday afternoon and I will be on the Brock Street bridge as I always am when I am in town. September 1, 2010 at 1:55pm · Like · 1 Jacob Johnathon Jodoin Mr.Borland,all I am going to leave you with is my respect,as I do respect you and your opinion.But I have mine,and to me our troops are heroes(They may be different heroes from the world wars,but they are heroes).Please understand I have a vast knowledge of WWII and WWI as I was and am homeschooled.So there was no education gone bad for me.My Mom and Dad has taught me so much about wars,and the history of why they started.Take care... September 1, 2010 at 3:45pm · Like · 1 Bruce Borland Jack, one word, helicopter...two, I have and have a completely different view than CNN. September 1, 2010 at 7:59pm · Like Jack Snedden Excellent idea Bruce. Fly them on Sea Kings. Great way to increase the number of casualties. And what do we do with the families? Fly them an Sea Kings as well or leave them at home. Youll remember the Chretien Government cancelled the helicopter purchase made by the Mulroney Government. Or do we rent helicopters from foreign countries as we have had to do with supply ships in the past? September 1, 2010 at 11:11pm · Like · 1 Jack Snedden Bruce, please tell me about your completely different view. September 1, 2010 at 11:13pm · Like Bruce Borland Jack, first is irrelevant but I see humour so, ok...for safety we have our wast of money helicopter we could lend them...it seems to be flying safely joyriding all over Oshawa...a Durham helicopter that seems to always be within reach of the Taunton road Tim Hortons...the families could be at home waiting to give their child a proper send off and it would be a far better idea to accommodate their desires rather than a Harper propaganda parade...surprised there is not an open care at the lead with Harper standing with his Nelson pose...like I said, the money could go to a p[roper memorial to the soldier rather than some ridiculous parade with people shouting and waving at little more than a dead body... youtube/watch?v=WG48Ftsr3OI youtube/watch?v=1gmgwx77osw&feature=related youtube/watch?v=HuCnoplE-7E&NR=1 youtube/watch?v=JEpqYFOMJ0E... youtube/watch?v=YTDvxaKNfUc&feature=fvw youtube/watch?v=J3t43Uz5Law&feature=related youtube/watch?v=fp_LXObnCj8 youtube/watch?v=QGkxE-yftKg&feature=channel youtube/watch?v=CAn4ndLCCBk youtube/watch?v=IkLn0UFelJg&feature=related youtube/watch?v=Z0AnqrwzbWw&feature=related Educate...try empathy over celebration of the dead... September 3, 2010 at 11:30am · Like Jack Snedden Bruce, thats a poor job of defending your position. Cant you do better? September 3, 2010 at 1:08pm · Like Jack Snedden And lets hear about your completely different view in your own words. September 3, 2010 at 1:11pm · Like Viv I.B. Woolford II Sorry I cant be there, Bill, but you know I fully support your efforts!!! September 3, 2010 at 2:01pm · Like · 1 Bruce Borland Jack, read all the dialog...it is clearly defined....it is easy to support in simple real terms but much more difficult to swim upstream and have ideas out of the box. September 4, 2010 at 11:26am · Like Viv I.B. Woolford II Thank God for OUR TROOPS who protect our freedoms, those who put themselves in the line of fire and those who pay The Ultimate Sacrifice I thank them and their families who endure the pain of their sacrifice for their Country!!! Canada is proud of you. For those of you who never lived in a dictatorship you cannot begin to understand how precious the freedoms you experience in North America are and I sincerely sympathise with you!!! September 4, 2010 at 11:40am · Like Bruce Borland Give it up Viv, who exactly are they defending in Afghanistan?...what dictatorship have you lived in?...a real one or an American perceived one?...really I am getting tired of all this flag waving...if you really came from a real dictatorship, you woul...See More September 4, 2010 at 1:10pm · Like Bruce Borland Migod Viv, how could I take you serious after seeing your profile... September 4, 2010 at 1:11pm · Like Bill Steele Can everyone please PRIVATE MESSAGE the person if the conversation is not about this event ? Thanks. September 4, 2010 at 1:37pm · Like Bill Steele I dont censor, this is about the Rally. Bruce, we know you oppose it. I respect your opinion, and have taken your words seriously. So letss keep THIS page about the Rally, etc ? Thanks ! September 4, 2010 at 1:39pm · Like Bruce Borland Only respond in defense William...if they took the time to review what I said and understand it then they would not be firing at me..I have already said that I would not post but I am not allowing open season on my beliefs without a response...stop them and it stops me... September 4, 2010 at 1:48pm · Like Bill Steele sorry Bruce, your right, my comments are directed at everyone on this post...... September 4, 2010 at 1:49pm · Like
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