Conversation started today Hanif Williamson 7:24pm Hanif Williamson why are muslim are gruesome??please reply Anup Ama 7:25pm Anup Ama sec one sec ill send you a pic .. ned to go on my cell Hanif Williamson 7:28pm Hanif Williamson ok... any sec now??? Anup Ama 7:32pm Anup Ama Sec Anup Ama 7:32pm Anup Ama Hanif Williamson 7:32pm Hanif Williamson Ook Anup Ama 7:33pm Anup Ama Xd done .. Its badd naa ? Made me vomit BTW I hate people dying even when gaxains die I cry Hanif Williamson 7:39pm Hanif Williamson where did israel com from Anup Ama 7:40pm Anup Ama Jacob His name was Israel right ?? Hanif Williamson 7:42pm Hanif Williamson whats your god name?just asking if its ok... Anup Ama 7:43pm Anup Ama Good ?? Hanif Williamson 7:43pm Hanif Williamson your god the god of jacob?? Anup Ama 7:44pm Anup Ama OK I am a Christian in India .. Why do u ask ??? Just god Hanif Williamson 7:45pm Hanif Williamson so u believe jesus Anup Ama 7:45pm Anup Ama Ya I believe in god !? Hanif Williamson 7:46pm Hanif Williamson jesus ? Anup Ama 7:46pm Anup Ama His GOd came on earth to open the gates of heaven .. Why do you ask ??? Hanif Williamson 7:47pm Hanif Williamson so jesus just say jesus Anup Ama 7:47pm Anup Ama You dont believe the in the scriptures it was written that god would come on earth an redeem man ??? Do you ??? Hanif Williamson 7:48pm Hanif Williamson im sorry he is the son of god or god him self Anup Ama 7:48pm Anup Ama God himself In earthly form coz devil challenged him that even if he came on earth the people would reject him !!! Dont you believe that god would come on earth ??? To redeem man !! Hanif Williamson 7:50pm Hanif Williamson so the devil knows beter than god Anup Ama 7:51pm Anup Ama Devils the master of lies Hanif Williamson 7:51pm Hanif Williamson god Anup Ama 7:51pm Anup Ama God gives us free will Hanif Williamson 7:51pm Hanif Williamson ? Anup Ama 7:51pm Anup Ama Its the demon within us that makes us sin We choose the devil !! Hanif Williamson 7:53pm Hanif Williamson but are u saying the first virsion of the bible is wrong that jesus is the son of god Anup Ama 7:53pm Anup Ama Muhammad claimed that Jewish and Christian scriptures had predicted his coming (see, e.g., Qur’an 7:157). This has led Muslim apologists to comb the Old and New Testaments in search of passages that refer to their prophet. While all biblical evidence offered by Muslims in support of their prophet appears horribly strained to non-Muslims (provided the latter read the passages in context) and has been thoroughly refuted time and again, it is still common to hear Muslims claim that the Bible speaks about Muhammad. The most popular prophecy about Muhammad is found in Deuteronomy 18. It is quite ironic, then, to learn that, according to Deuteronomy 18, Muhammad can’t possibly be a prophet. As we will see, this puts Muslims in an awkward position, and helps show the lengths to which they will go in their efforts to defend their prophet. The purpose of this essay is to prove, based on Muslim claims (including their appeal to Deuteronomy 18), that Muhammad was a false prophet. I will begin by presenting two arguments against the prophethood of Muhammad, and I will follow this by carefully defending the arguments. Once I have shown that the arguments are sound, I will briefly discuss the options available to Muslims who want to reject the obvious conclusion. Anup Ama 7:53pm Anup Ama First version of the bible is right Its said that the saviour would come on earth... The Jews just refuse to accept !! Anup Ama 7:55pm Anup Ama THE DEUTERONOMY DEDUCTIONS There are two elements to look for when examining deductive arguments: valid logic and true premises. To say that a deductive argument is valid is to say that, due to the logical form, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. The most basic argument form is the syllogism, and the most basic valid form of the syllogism is Modus Ponens.[3] The logical form of the following arguments is Modus Ponens; thus, they are logically valid: Argument A—false gods and false prophets A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet. A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods. —————————————————— A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet. Argument B—false revelations and false prophets B1. If a person delivers a revelation that doesn’t come from God, that person is a false prophet. B2. Muhammad delivered a revelation that didn’t come from God. —————————————————— B3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet. Since the logic of both arguments is valid, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. Hence, if the premises of these arguments are true, Muhammad was a false prophet. Let us turn, then, to a careful discussion of our premises. Anup Ama 7:56pm Anup Ama II. PREMISES A1 AND B1 DEFENDED A1 and B1 seem intuitively obvious. That is, it seems clear that if a person speaks in the names of false gods or delivers revelations that don’t come from God, the person cannot be a true prophet. Nevertheless, by appealing to the Bible to bolster their belief in Muhammad, Muslims have inadvertently granted that A1 and B1 are true. Deuteronomy 18 serves as the foundation of Islam’s Argument from Biblical Prophecy, used by generations of Muslims to prove that Muhammad was a true prophet. Indeed, the popular Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam uses Deuteronomy 18 as its primary evidence that the Bible speaks of Muhammad. Author I. A. Ibrahim says, The Biblical prophecies on the advent of the Prophet Muhammad are evidence of the truth of Islam for people who believe in the Bible. In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. (Deuteronomy 18: 18-19)[4] The book goes on to argue that Muhammad fulfilled this prophecy in numerous ways. While such claims have been refuted ad nauseum,[5] I will simply note that Muslims have here granted that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 is inspired by God (since they regard it as a miraculous prophecy). Surely, then, we can’t ignore the next verse, where God says: But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. (Deuteronomy 18:20) Here we have two criteria for spotting a false prophet: (1) delivering a revelation which God has not commanded him to speak, and (2) speaking in the name of other gods. Since Muslims who appeal to so-called biblical prophecies of Muhammad have given this passage their stamp of approval, they cannot deny the truth of A1 and B1. To sum up, Muslims have appealed to a passage in Deuteronomy 18, and that passage entails premises A1 and B1. Thus, according to Muslim claims, the first premise of each of the Deuteronomy Deductions is true. Anup Ama 7:56pm Anup Ama PC if you care to read then read .. What I dont like is hatred Pls Any religion who is violent just proves that the devil controls them an no god Hanif Williamson 7:58pm Hanif Williamson i dont hate Christians Anup Ama 7:58pm Anup Ama Peace out bro dont mean to hurt you I hate violent muslims I dont hate all muslims And I hate countries where the dont allow other religions to live peacefully an kill if their people convert to other religions!!! Hanif Williamson 8:00pm Hanif Williamson do you know the history of palestine? Anup Ama 8:00pm Anup Ama Do you know that if you kill someone you create a chain that never ends ?? Yes I do but answer my questions please Hanif Williamson 8:01pm Hanif Williamson yes in islam it is the same please tel me what do you know about palestine history Anup Ama 8:02pm Anup Ama What are your views on Muslim countries that dont allow other religions to remain ??? Answer my questions first plz then Ill surely answer you !!! Hanif Williamson 8:04pm Hanif Williamson the other religion can stay but must help protect the land they are on Anup Ama 8:05pm Anup Ama Soo what about the killings that take place .. I see you place land over religion.. Nice What about that sever Muslims who were converted in Islamic countries that got killed ?? Several Hanif Williamson 8:07pm Hanif Williamson i dont get you Anup Ama 8:08pm Anup Ama Many people who dont believe in Islam in Islamic countries suffer a lot...if they openly say they converted they get killed Hanif Williamson 8:11pm Hanif Williamson we would advised then to convert back to islam now anwer my question Anup Ama 8:12pm Anup Ama What if they dont want to an believe in the other religion Wait bro u still dont gimme my answer !! Hanif Williamson 8:13pm Hanif Williamson yes but that is to frighten then to re think it over Anup Ama 8:14pm Anup Ama Thats not good ?? You dont believe in giving people freedom ?? Hanif Williamson 8:15pm Hanif Williamson will u want to let peaple to leave your relegion Anup Ama 8:17pm Anup Ama If they dont believe they are anyways not Christians sooo no use is making them be !!! Hanif Williamson 8:19pm Hanif Williamson the point is the ones that never becomea muslim will have no harm so answer my question Anup Ama 8:20pm Anup Ama Dude what about patents made them an they dont wanna be ... Imm sorry but our thinking is different I dont believe in force cannot reply you dont accept my answers If you believe in forcing Im sorry bro Im not like that !! Hanif Williamson 8:21pm Hanif Williamson ok...ok im sorry please... well the history is there was a war and muslims on the land of israel were kiled so slahuddin took command and many die on both side Hanif Williamson 8:39pm Hanif Williamson the pepole of israel was weak and nearly lost the battle so salahuddin made the choice to take israel and let the muslim,Christians,and jew to live together 19?? the british attack palestine and took 1/3 19?? the british attack palestine and took 2/3 of the land and gave it to the isreales Anup Ama 8:47pm Anup Ama Im not replying believe what you want peace off an d dont annoying by telling me stuff Hanif Williamson 8:48pm Hanif Williamson so this is how jesus would want you to do just shut it out Anup Ama 8:49pm Anup Ama Stop it yaa .. U believe in forcing people .. What I tell you you wont accept anywayz !! Jesus is god .. If ure saying it in a mocking way it is bad !! Better stop it !! Hanif Williamson 8:51pm Hanif Williamson im sorry for every thing ihope you have a happy life Anup Ama 8:51pm Anup Ama Mee too hope your happy an learn to live in peace with others Of you force it is not peace !!! If you Hanif Williamson 8:52pm Hanif Williamson i hope allah(my god) opens your eyes please find a quran(muslim bible) translation we arnt that bad Anup Ama 8:53pm Anup Ama I hope your evey are open too an you can see godjesus our saviour I hoped from the very start but just telling you cause you told me Hanif Williamson 8:54pm Hanif Williamson peace Anup Ama 8:54pm Anup Ama I gave you those versus why Islam is a lie you dont even reply to that .. But Im fine with you.. Just stop forcing people its veryyy bad !! Hanif Williamson 8:56pm Hanif Williamson its all from the new trascription and a change of the first and im not forcing you anything Anup Ama 8:57pm Anup Ama You are forcing your people Hanif Williamson 8:57pm Hanif Williamson your religeon...your wright Anup Ama 8:57pm Anup Ama How can I trust you ?? You just said you force them dude !! Hanif Williamson 9:01pm Hanif Williamson read the translation of the quran Anup Ama 9:02pm Anup Ama You read the bible ??? ?? an he blocks me ..hahah
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