1) Why Jesus Did not Have to Die to Atone for Our Sins I (Ruby Ellis) am not Rabbinical Jewish. I am Tanach-only and do not accept the Talmud or Mishnah Torah as Rabbinical Jews do. I reference Michael Skobac’s teaching below, not because I am advocating a person should become Rabbinical Jewish, but because he has done an excellent job of explaining and summarizing proofs contrary to Christian doctrine, that show according to the Tanach, a blood sacrifice is NOT required for forgiveness of sins. The proofs below are my personal notes taken from this Jews for Judaism Counter-Missionary Survival Seminar with Rabbi Michael Skobac, Session 5: “Why Jesus Did not Have to Die to Atone for Our Sins” youtube/watch?v=jB7EZ5fgr4I&noredirect=1 To download the Jews for Judaism notes for this subject see jewsforjudiasm.ca All Scripture quotations below are from the version of Scriptures “The Scriptures 98” When J.C. did not return, the Christians came up with a new concept for the mission of the messiah in saying the purpose of the messiah is to redeem the world from evil. This is a new concept of a messiah that accommodates a dead messiah. Christians had to have a compelling and invisible definition. To die for the sins of the world. Missionary reasoning assumes their conclusion to be true before they find supporting doctrines from the Scripture. Christians take their supporting verses out of context. Christians argue that a blood sacrifice is necessary to atone for sin and ask, “How do you atone for your sins since the Jews no longer observe a sacrificial system after destruction of the temple in 70 AD? “ Christian missionaries quote these passages in support of their circular reasoned belief and take the verses out of context: Lev 17:11 ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your lives, for it is the blood that makes atonement for the life.’ Matt 1:21 “And she shall give birth to a Son, and you shall call His Name יהושע for He shall save His people from their sins.” 1Cor 15:3 For I delivered to you at the first that which I also received: that Messiah died for our sins according to the Scriptures. Where in the Tanach (Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures) does it say the messiah must die for our sins? Lev 17:11 does not say without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. The concept that you must shed blood to atone for sins is from the X-tian Bible, it is not based in the Tanach. So the Christian starts with a conclusion based in the N.T., not the Tanach, they already assume to be true – without the shedding of blood is no remission of sins – and then attempt to find texts to support their faulty conclusion. The Tanach (Old Testament) does not say the ONLY way to have forgiveness of sins is through shedding of blood. The Christian argues: Heb 9:22 And, according to the Torah, almost all is cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. In Rom 11:26 Paul misquotes Isa 59:20 Rom 11:26 And so all Yisra’ĕl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya῾aqoḇ, Isa 59:20 “And the Redeemer shall come to Tsiyon, and to those turning from transgression in Ya῾aqoḇ,” declares יהוה. Did Paul quote Isa 59:20 accurately? No. Rom 11:26 Redeemer comes FROM Zion. In Isaiah the redeemer comes TO Zion. In Rom 11:26 Paul says the redeemer comes to banish unrighteousness from Jacob. (To remove sin from Israel). Isaiah 59:20 says the redeemer comes to those in Jacob who have turned from their transgressions. This is a big error. In Isaiah, the redeemer does not come to remove unrighteousness from Jacob. The redeemer comes to those who have ALREADY on their own turned from sin and repented. Paul tampers with Isa 59:20 and does not quote the Hebrew Scriptures accurately. Debarim (Deut) 30 is an important messianic chapter that shows after Israel first returns to Yahuah, then the redemption comes. Heb 10:5 misquotes Ps 40:6: Heb 10:5 Therefore, coming into the world, He says, “Slaughtering and meal offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me. Heb 10:6 “In burnt offerings and [offerings] for sin You did not delight. Heb 10:10 By that desire we have been set apart through the offering of the body of יהושע Messiah once for all. Ps 40:6 Slaughtering and meal offering You did not desire; You have opened my ears; Burnt offering and sin offering You did not ask for. Heb 10:5 is supposedly taken from Ps 40:6. But Ps 40:6 does not mention a body being prepared. The N.T. is making this up.
Posted on: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:09:23 +0000
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