DEBATE BETEEN CRESPHIN DAUDA(jesus pbuh is dead) AND NUHU ADINAANI(jesus is alive in heaven) DEATH OF JESUS(PBUH) kindly look for yussif ali first edition of his translation and read the introductory part and see what he says NUHU ADINAANI -Also Quran chapter 4 verse 157 and 158 n tell me verbatim what it says. September 8th, 2:29am CRESPHIN DAUDA- kindly look for YUSSIF ALI FIRST EDITION OF HIS TRANSLATION AND READ THE INTRODUCTORY PART AND SEE WHAT HE SAYS.i did not say you should quote a verse CRESPHIN DAUDA- if you like let debate on the death of jesus(pbuh) him, NUHU ADINAANI -Yes I like that September 9th, 12:15am JESUS IS DEAD(PBUH) 21-AL-ANBIYA 8. Nor did We give them such bodies as could go without food, neither were they people given unusually long lives (to enjoy). NUHU ADINAANI -Then what did the Quran mean by saying He was neither crucified nor killed.But Allah raised (body n soul) him to Himself.In Chapter 4 verse 157 to 158. CRESPHIN DAUDA- mr.adinaani,in that verse can you show me the arabic text of body and soul NUHU ADINAANI -The verse u talked of messengers having bodies, eating food n will not remain on earth. We didnt say Jesus will not die.He will die but this is not that death.He will come back n die later. CRESPHIN DAUDA -let discuss systematically all the verses answer my question NUHU ADINAANI -The arabic word is Rafa-a CRESPHIN DAUDA - 94:4 wa rafa-naa laka zikrak.and we raised high the esteem.so was the holy prophte raised physically because that word RAFA has been used.Great Prophets like Muhammad(pbuh) are exalted. 43:32 …And We have raised some of them above others in rank. (…WA rafa na…) 94:4 And We have exalted for you your mention (…WA rafa NA…) Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah. 6:83 ….We exalt in degrees whom We please (…narfau darazaa…) NUHU ADINAANI -U dont know arabic that is ur problem. Every word has different meanings depending the sentence it is used. No word had a singular meaning CRESPHIN DAUDA - that word RAFA IS not physicall but spiritual becaue it has been used in the holy quran more than 24times and none is physical take this one to Righteous servants of Allah are raised in degrees. 6:165 …and He raises some of you above the others in degrees…. (…WA rafa aa badakum…) CRESPHIN DAUDA - WHY WERE THIS VERSES REVEALED TO PROPHET MOHAMMED AND JESUS(PBU)THEM: 5-AL-MAEDA 75. The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger, all the Messengers have (like him) passed away before him, his mother was a highly truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the arguments for their good, yet see, how they are turned away (from the truth). 3-AL-IMRAN 144. AND Muhammad is but a Messenger. Surely, all Messengers have passed away before him. Would you recant if he dies or be killed. And he who recants shall do no harm at all to Allâh, and Allâh will certainly reward the grateful. THE ABOVE VERSES SHOWS THAT JESUS(pbuh)is dead NUHU ADINAANI -Rafa-a is not only spiritual but physical as well.Example I can say irfa-a yaduk meaning raise ur hand NUHU ADINAANI -Or rafa-a yadii meaning I raised my hand. NUHU ADINAANI -Sorry ur statement has a mistake. The right is Messengers has pass on not all messengers. NUHU ADINAANI -That statement was made by Sayinaa Abubakar (R.A) CRESPHIN DAUDA - the example you mentioned about rafa a yaduk meaning raise hand i want to ask you is it in the holy quran and secondly in prayers in sitting postion called jilsa we recite ALLAHUMMAGHFIR LI WARHAMNI WAHDINI WA AAFINI WARAFA NI WAJBURNI WARZUGNI in the above statement rafa comes did you see anyone rising to somewhere NUHU ADINAANI -Like I said earlier.Ur example refers to the spiritual status The sentence will show whether soul (spiritual) or physical. CRESPHIN DAUDA - you said my statement there is mistake,per your correct statement you said Messengers has pass on.the messengers you have written is in plural where lies my mistake>look for this man MOHAMMED ASAD,YUSSIF ALI SHKIR ,PICKTHALtranslation of the holy quran NUHU ADINAANI -Do u believe in their translation? Is it not their explanation to the meaning of rafa-a u r arguing. NUHU ADINAANI -I have to stop debating with u.It seems u r not matured educationally.Unless u put in ur picture like my own n ur educational status. NUHU ADINAAN-Like this:am Nuhu Adinaani a tutor at Islamic S.H.S Wa from Jangbeyiri CRESPHIN DAUDA -DO YOU KNOW THEY DIFFER IN THEIR MEANING OF THE HOLY QURAN,TRANSLATORS OF THE HOLY QURAN,1 YUSSSIF ALI,DR.MUHAMMAD TAGL-UD-DIN AL-HLLALL AND DR.MUHAMMAD MUHSIN KHAN ISLAMIC UNIVERSITY,AL –MADINAH AL MUNAWWARAH AND KING FAHAD FOUNDATION TRANSLATION OF THE HOLY QURAN SAUDI ARABIA NUHU ADINAAN-No is choice words but the same meaning with different wording (I have to stop debating with u.It seems u r not matured educationally.Unless u put in ur picture like my own n ur educational status.) CRESPHIN DAUDA -YOU MADE THE ABOVE STATMENT WHY ,I would not comment NUHU ADINAAN-Certain statements u made shows u r not my match. NUHU ADINAAN-I mean educationally CRESPHIN DAUDA -it is a pity to here that from you.DO YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE MORE EDUCATED THAN YOU YET THEY ARE NOT PROUD OF THEMSELVES LET CARRY ON WITH THE TOPIC NUHU ADINAAN-Am not never proud ask more about me CRESPHIN DAUDA - 4-AL-NISA 157. And because of their (falsely) claiming, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the (false) Messenger of Allâh,’ whereas they killed him not, nor did they cause his death by crucifixion, but he was made to them to resemble (one crucified to death). Verily, those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) confusion about it. They have no definite knowledge of the matter but are only following a conjecture. They did not kill him, this much is certain (and thus could not prove the Christ as accursed). NUHU ADINAAN-Let me see ur face as u r seeing mine NUHU ADINAAN-Move to next verse word to word CRESPHIN DAUDA - what is your take on the above verse NUHU ADINAAN-In short Jesus was not killed that is my understanding CRESPHIN DAUDA - ma sha allah,did you know the above translators especially the one by king fahad foundation says jesus(pnuh)face was put on someone NUHU ADINAAN-Yes CRESPHIN DAUDA - so is it right to say that NUHU ADINAAN-Cant it be done by Allah CRESPHIN DAUDA i need a definite answer from you NUHU ADINAAN-Yes that is what exactly happened CRESPHIN DAUDA - let use the quran here,17:15 He who follows the right way follows it to his own good and he who goes astray, surely, he goes astray to his own loss. And no soul that bears the burden shall bear the burden of another. And We never punish unless We have sent a Messenger. NUHU ADINAAN-Meaning what CRESPHIN DAUDA - meaning NO BEARER OF BURDEN SHALL BE MADE TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF ANOTHER(mr A DEEDS CAN NOT BE GIVEN TO mr B AND THE VICE VERSE ) ahmed deedat is against that statement that jesus face was put on anther man NUHU ADINAAN-So We should leave u alone CRESPHIN DAUDA - So it is vary wrong for you to say that jesus(pbuh) face was put on another man,ahmed deedat is against it CRESPHIN DAUDA -Answer me NUHU ADINAAN-So We should leave u alone CRESPHIN DAUDA -am saying ERASE THAT BELIEVE IN YOU MIND THAT JESUS FACE WAS PUT ON ANOTHER MAN CRESPHIN DAUDA 3-AL-IMRAN 55. (RECALL the time) when Allâh said, ‘O Jesus! I will cause you to die a natural death, and will exalt you to Myself and I will clear you of the unchaste accusations of those who disbelieve. I am going to make your followers prevail over the disbelievers till the Day of Resurrection, then to Me (O people!) shall be your return, and I will judge all your differences September 9th, 11:36pm CRESPHIN DAUDA ABOUT 3:144 you said the statement was made by Saydinaa Abubakar(R.A).I want you to know that the verse was reveled to the holy prophet of islam. CRESPHIN DAUDA -death of prophet mohammed(pbuh) this theroy of jesus(pbuh) is in heaven alive, could have also been with the muslims but because of allah guidence to hadrat abu bakr’s it was asertainted that the holy prophet of islam(mohammed) saw was DEAD. umars attitude umar, who was so stunned that he almost lost consciousness and stood before people addressing them: some of the hypocrites claim that the messenger of allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam died. the messenger of allah did not die, but went to his lord in the same way as moses ibn imran did. he stayed away for forty nights, but finally came back though they said he had been dead. by allah, the messenger of allah will come back and he will cut of the hands and legs of those who claim his death. [ibn hisham, 2/655] abu bakrs attitude abu bakr left his house at as-sunh and came forth to the mosque on a mare-back. at the mosque, he dismounted and entered. he talked to nobody but went on till he entered aishahs abode, and went directly to where the messenger of allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was. the prophet was covered with a yemeni mantle. he uncovered his face and tended down, kissed him and cried. then he said: i sacrifice my father and mother for your sake. allah, verily, will not cause you to die twice. you have just experienced the death that allah had ordained. then he went out and found umar talking to people. he said: umar, be seated. umar refused to do so. people parted umar and came towards abu bakr, who started a speech saying: and now, he who worships muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, muhammad is dead now. but he who worships allah, he is ever living and he never dies. allah says: muhammad is no more than a messenger, and indeed (many) messengers have passed away before him. if he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? and he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to allah, and allah will give reward to those who are grateful. [al-quran 3:144] ibn abbas said: by allah it sounded as if people had never heard such a quranic verse till abu bakr recited it as a reminder. so people started reciting it till there was no man who did not recite it. ibn al-musayyab said that umar had said: by allah as soon as i heard abu bakr say it, i fell down to the ground. i felt as if my legs had been unable to carry me so i collapsed when i heard him say it. only then did i realize that muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam had really died. [sahih al-bukhari, 2/640,641] NUHU ADINAAN -I have closed ur chapter until I see ur face.I promised not to talk to anonymous person.
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