Gordon Goodermote [Senate Hearing 107-861] [From the U.S. Government Printing Office] S. Hrg. 107-861 THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSES INQUIRY INTO PROJECT 112/SHIPBOARD HAZARD AND DEFENSE (SHAD) TESTS ======================================================================= HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON PERSONNEL of the COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ OCTOBER 10, 2002 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Armed Services U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 84-856 PDF WASHINGTON : 2003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES CARL LEVIN, Michigan, Chairman EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts JOHN WARNER, Virginia ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia STROM THURMOND, South Carolina JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut JOHN McCAIN, Arizona MAX CLELAND, Georgia BOB SMITH, New Hampshire MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana JAMES M. INHOFE, Oklahoma JACK REED, Rhode Island RICK SANTORUM, Pennsylvania DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii PAT ROBERTS, Kansas BILL NELSON, Florida WAYNE ALLARD, Colorado E. BENJAMIN NELSON, Nebraska TIM HUTCHINSON, Arkansas JEAN CARNAHAN, Missouri JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama MARK DAYTON, Minnesota SUSAN COLLINS, Maine JEFF BINGAMAN, New Mexico JIM BUNNING, Kentucky David S. Lyles, Staff Director Judith A. Ansley, Republican Staff Director ______ Subcommittee on Personnel MAX CLELAND, Georgia, Chairman EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts TIM HUTCHINSON, Arkansas JACK REED, Rhode Island STROM THURMOND, South Carolina DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii JOHN McCAIN, Arizona BILL NELSON, Florida WAYNE ALLARD, Colorado JEAN CARNAHAN, Missouri SUSAN COLLINS, Maine (ii) C O N T E N T S __________ CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES The Department of Defenses Inquiry into Project 112/Shipboard Hazard and Defense (SHAD) Tests october 10, 2002 Page Thompson, Hon. C. Michael, a U.S. Representative from California. 1 Winkenwerder, Hon. William, Jr., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs; Accompanied by Dr. Michael E. Kilpatrick, Deputy Director for Deployment Health Support Directorate, Department of Defense.......................................... 120 Epley, Robert J., Associate Deputy Under Secretary for Policy and Program Management, Department of Veterans Affairs; Accompanied by Dr. Kenneth Craig Hyams, Chief Consultant, Occupational and Environmental Strategic Healthcare Group....................... 124 Alderson, Lt. Cdr. Jack B., USN, Retired......................... 144 Bates, Robert W.................................................. 150 Brocklebank, George J............................................ 155 (iii) THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSES INQUIRY INTO PROJECT 112/SHIPBOARD HAZARD AND DEFENSE (SHAD) TESTS ---------- THURSDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2002 U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Personnel, Committee on Armed Services, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:55 a.m. in room SR-232A, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Max Cleland (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Committee members present: Senators Cleland, Akaka, Bill Nelson, and E. Benjamin Nelson. Majority staff member present: Gerald J. Leeling, counsel. Minority staff members present: Patricia L. Lewis, professional staff member; and Richard F. Walsh, minority counsel. Staff assistants present: Dara R. Alpert and Andrew Kent. Committee members assistants present: Andrew Vanlandingham, assistant to Senator Cleland; Davelyn Noelani Kalipi, assistant to Senator Akaka; William K. Sutey and Peter A. Contostavlos, assistants to Senator Bill Nelson; Eric Pierce, assistant to Senator Ben Nelson; James P. Dohoney, Jr. and Michele A. Traficante, assistants to Senator Hutchinson. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MAX CLELAND, CHAIRMAN Senator Cleland. Good morning, everyone. The hearing will come to order. Representative Thompson, thank you so much for your leadership on this issue affecting Americas veterans as this country contemplates committing young Americans into harms way once again. I think its the height of irony that we now discover that our own Government put our service men and women in the Vietnam era into harms way without full disclosure to them of what they were up against. I thank you very much for bringing this to national attention. We know you have a vote in the House, so if youd like to proceed, youre now recognized. STATEMENT OF HON. C. MICHAEL THOMPSON, A U.S. REPRESENTATIVE FROM CALIFORNIA Mr. Thompson. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Senator Nelson, thank you for your interest. Id like to thank you, Mr. Chairman, not only for having this hearing and showing the leadership to bring this forward to get the good public attention we need so we can get the veterans the help that they need, but youve been an early proponent of this. It was awhile back when you and I sat out in the sun with the other Senator Nelson to introduce our bills to the press, the House bill and the Senate bill, both of which would be very important and help get the veterans, in this case as well as other situations, the help that they need. I just want to make a couple of comments. This has been a long battle for a lot of us. It was brought to my attention by Jack Alderson, who is a constituent of mine, and hes here today. Hell testify, I believe, today. Jack was a tugboat commander, and he participated in the SHAD testing. Its Jack that brought it to my attention that he and a number of people that he commanded were getting sick, and he was concerned that it had something to do with the tests that they were doing. But being the great patriot and the great American that he is, thats all hed tell me. He wouldnt tell me the extent of the tests, because they were still classified material. I contacted the Department of Defense 4 years ago now and was told at the time that there was no such thing as Project SHAD and that I was worrying about nothing. We contin
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