I hate to invade peoples life with my preaching mode, but what I hate more is when evangelists invade my social space thinking I suffer from Jihad fear syndrome! Follow this dialogue between me and a Christian who just added me, God knows why? I call them D. D: Hey. i have a question what does the jihad movement mean to you bro? ME: Never heard of Jihad movement D: really? are u a muslim ME: A devout and practicing Muslim, What is Jihad Movement? Do tell please. D: glad to and as a devout muslim u should know what ur prophet mohammad taught.. first look up the definition of jihad. and well go from there brother ME: No need, I have studied Islam and never heard of Jihad movement, however Jihad as warfare is a different context so please explain what you mean by Jihad movement? D: ok.. Excerpt K 2:190-191 Set 2, Count 3+4 [2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. that helps explain the joha movement jihad* ME: No it doesnt you just quoted a translation of Quranic verse about people who were given authority to fight in a battle nothing about Jihad there Jihad is just like Islam, a way of life. Not a tool to terrorise the world, as people who are in conflict have different priorities compared to people who live in peace D: yes that is referring to jihad. u didnt know? Excerpt K 3:146 Set 8, Count 21 Yusuf Ali: How many of the prophets fought (in Allahs way) [Jihad], and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allahs way [lost a battle], nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [in Jihad]. ME: I know you WANT to understand that as Jihad it isnt it is about battle tactic for certain scenarios, just like any Army General would order his soldiers to do certain things in a certain battle.....hardly constitutes as a policy of warfare. D: here more recent activity from muslims who encourage eachother to join jihad and bte mohammad said that after a certain age u should join the jihad to fight and kill in the name of Allah as long as ur parents are ok with it.. October 19, 1994 A powerful bomb, apparently placed by Islamic militants opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace negotiations, blew up a crowded bus during the morning rush hour in the heart of Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 22 people and wounding 48. July 18, 1995 A huge bomb exploded destroying a seven-story downtown building housing two Jewish groups in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At least 26 people were killed and 127 injured. February 26, 1993 A tremendous underground explosion believed to be caused by a bomb, shook the 110 story twin towers of Manhattan’s World Trade Center, in New York, killing at least five people, injuring more than 1000, and sending tens of thousands of workers fleeing for their lives down crowded smoke-filled stairs. May 4, 1992 13 Egyptian Christians were shot dead by Muslim fundamentalists in Mansheit Nasser, Egypt. Ten Christian farmers were ambushed and murdered while working in their fields. A Christian teacher was shot in the local school while teaching a class of ten-year olds. A Christian doctor was shot dead outside his home. Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf. Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies. Surah 8:60 Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame. Surah 9:14 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God. Surah 8:13-17. Me: If you are really here to paste someone else arguments you that you have copied (whether willingly or unwillingly trolling) then I tell you I have no time to waste with this crap. So adieu D: this is not anyones arguement. this is simply information about the violence Islam teaches bro hav u nothing to say defend ur religion? dont take it the wrong way but understand truth. and your religion bro.. it teaches to kill non believer in the name of allah. true? ME: Not to the likes of you....Sorry....Have not got the luxury to waste my time......However I pray you find peace as you seem to be in battle mode. Again Peace D: allah would be very dissappointed in u for not speaking to defend his name. smh wake up and ireally respect that u are not being so defensive and trying to remain peaceful. i really do appreciate that. but i am not seeking a battle from anyone. just simply seeking understanding from ine who believes God teaches such things.. thats all bro. no harm intended sorry if i offended you ME: Well you seem to have taken one aspect of Islam and chose that as your vocal point, why choose that? Islam is not a pacifist religion so in that regard, we dont turn the right cheek for another slap. Jesus preached war as well, Moses preached war, Abraham went against the commands of Babylonian king, Solomon invaded sovereign kingdoms while his Father David did before him (Peace be upon all of them) D: but the quran reads different bro. it cleary says to kill non believers. and i know allah is not for that! ME: dont see you talking about them, but as Muslims we believe them all to be as Muhammed and they did all those things justifiably.....Please stop the hypocrisy of focusing on Islam only..... D: Jesus preached war? turn the other cheek clearly means to avoid war correct? ME: Yeah in this scenario D: what senario? Jesus was being captured and one o His disciples tried to attack the roman and Jesus said not to.. that doesnt sound like He is for war to me as a muslim. u believe in the bible correct? ME: Have you read the bible D: not every word but yes ihav. and some of the quran as well ME: are you telling me an aye for an eye is complete pacifism? D: so as a muslim u believe in the bible correct? an eye for an eye means that God will discipline you in that manner.. ME: Yes, as a former book revealed to jesus but as explained by biblical scholars, it is not the one from Jesus himself or his disciples By the way, that is your commentary.....it does not say that in the text about Eye for an Eye.... D: so u believe that it is true? i dont understand ME: I really grow to hate these sort of dialogues as you cannot afford me the same latitude as you expect from me. D: did you see that picture of the kid with the quran in one hand and a assault rifle in the other? he is justified to kill for his religion according to the quran. is that true? im trying to understand from a devout muslim. their belief(s) ME: What are you trying to understand really...... Coz I see you are fanatic Christian who evangelises....So tell me, why are you shocked to see a picture of a Boy (who lives in Palestine) occupied by Israel that his parent or family teach to resist no matter what why is that different to anything that took place in the independence wars of the US the civil war, the Red Indians massacres who defended themselves by scalping the Whiteman how do you link a political struggle with a religious edict that is contrast to each other I really dont understand D: because honestly. it sucks to see such good hearted ppl, like yourself, believe in some of the evil teachings of the quran smh and those ppl u refer to are not Christian. and even if they claim to be they dont go by the bibles teachings ME: what! The crusades werent Christians the templars werent God warriors D: that kid was holding a quran. and in that quran. is he not justified to kill non believers? yes or no? ME: The Spanish killings of the Jews and Muslims werent Christians so you are not really here to learn or understand I see D: its simple. the bible teaches against violence while the quran teaches to kill.. ME: You true nature is here.....D, you turn the cheek and I will slap the shit out of any oppressors that dares to cross me D: so with that being said you can say that all these murderes were Christian. but you cannot show me where in the bible justifies their actions ME: how is that? Why ask a Muslim? Ask the popes who condoned it, including this German one....they are supposed to be your authorities not me.
Posted on: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:42:01 +0000
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