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Objection: Arent you being schismatic by recommending that Catholics attend parishes which are not under the diocesan bishop, and by casting doubt on the papacy of Vat II popes? Reply: Let us start by reviewing the definition of what it is to be schismatic. There are two parts of the definition of the term. The first pertains to ones relationship to the Supreme Pontiff and the second pertains to ones relationship to fellow Catholic believers. With regards to the first, refusal of subjection to the Supreme Pontiff is schismatic as is giving such subjection, proper to that for a pope, to an impostor. Since there is legitimate doubt as to whether the Church even has a living pope at this time, only those who opine that John Paul II is a pope are obliged to submit to his authority, and that only insofar as it is not contrary to Faith or Morals or detrimental to their faith. Sedevacantists refuse submission to John Paul II for precisely the same reason they refuse submission to Reverend Sun Myung Moon. If a man isnt a pope, as the sedevacantists have reason to believe that John Paul II is not, then he cannot rightly receive the submission lawfully due to the Successor of Peter. In such times where there is confusion as to who, if anyone, is the pope (as the Church was so confused during the First Great Western Schism of the 1300s), it is the second part of the definition of schism which most applies. This second part of the definition of schism is refusal of communion with other members of the Church. By the word communion in this context, it is fellowship or association which is being referred to, not the Eucharist. It is the person who says to his fellow Catholic I cannot eat with you; I cannot pray with you; I cannot discuss spiritual matters with you, who is being schismatic, not the one who is so snubbed. Contrary to the often repeated big lies of those who are critical of the traditional Catholic movement, it is not the traditionalists who are being the separatists, but the Novus Ordo People of God. Traditional Catholics do indeed separate themselves from the world and sinful, worldly associations, but from fellow Catholics, and even Catholics-at-heart, they never separate themselves. It is the Novus Ordo People of God members who always schismatically separate themselves from traditional Catholics, oftentimes while refusing to separate themselves from the worldly associations. Traditional Catholics are all supremely and serenely confident that they have the Truth and know they have nothing to fear from the stupid and ignorant arguments of the Novus Ordo. It is not and never has been the traditional Catholics who have retreated from religious discussions, dialogue, or debate with the Novus Ordo People of God, but always the Novus Ordo People of God who cannot face traditional Catholics in religious debate. It is always the Novus Ordo People of God who are obliged take the position of Dont confuse me with the facts; Bishop Beezlebub has already made up my mind! The only thing even remotely schismatic within the traditional Catholic movement is those few (and rapidly growing fewer) voices who continue to argue for only ones own faction at the expense of all other groups. As the traditional Catholic movement continues to grow and gather momentum, the voices of those schismatic few are increasingly getting drowned out by the Song of Praise rising from those traditional Catholics who have come to realize, at least on an unconscious level, that the traditional Catholic movement is the Roman Catholic Church. At any rate, that is a schism which is entirely internal to the Church, just like the fourteenth century schism, and not at all comparable to the schism between East and West which puts the East Orthodox completely outside the Church.
Posted on: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:11:31 +0000

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