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Are you registered Republican? Want to help change Oklahoma for the better? Restore the GOP to being the Peoples Party to advance the cause of living in Liberty. [the first sentence of the OK GOP Platform is: We believe in limited government, individual liberty, and personal moral responsibility.”] 2020 Vision, (v.1.3) A Simple Plan to Transform Oklahoma into a Free State [NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION. Comments requested.] “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” – R. Buckminster Fuller Why is this project needed? The grassroots movement started by the Ron Paul campaigns appears to be floundering in Oklahoma, and nationally. Except for a smattering of candidates, there are few tangible political results, and no true liberty candidates elected yet, with the possible exception of Sen. Nathan Dahm. The turnout for the 2013 State GOP convention was less than in 2012, with our late-entry Chairman candidate falling short of winning. The exceptions have been in Canadian, Carter, Cherokee and Logan Counties where liberty activists have either been elected to leadership, or have been so integrated into it that they have great influence. There may be others. In Oklahoma County weve got half of the membership on the Executive Committee, but ultimately we are advisory only. While weve been stonewalled in many ways, a number of relationships have been built among “old guard” and new appointees, increasing understanding while decreasing resistance to us and our ideas. Weve seen in Carter County that holding the county chair position enables the party machinery to be used to Recruit, Inform, Train and Activate (RITA) new people. Over time the “old guard,” has either stopped their opposition and joined in, or dropped out. With the opening of a physical headquarters, the level of visibility and activity has increased. Moreover, theyve held town meetings in the outlying areas beyond Ardmore, reaching new people. This shows the value of holding party leadership offices and of having a headquarters. Based on the experience after both the 2008 and 2012 Ron Paul campaigns, we have seen that without a charismatic candidate to work for, we have not been able to sustain any kind of active, unified movement to advance the cause of liberty over time. We need a unifying vision, independent of particular personalities, candidates and campaigns, with the power to excite the imagination and motivate involvement as did Ron Paul. A major focus on the Presidential races is largely a waste of time for the liberty movement. The truth is that with the control of the mainstream media and the national parties, along with black box voting fraud, the PTB can select whomever they want for President. The Presidential races are almost a distraction, like a matadors cape, directing our energy and attention from where we can have a real impact, on state and local races. The Ron Paul campaigns revealed that the coterie of political consultants running them (dubbed Ron 1 Paul, Inc.,) have no interest in building decentralized grassroots organizations. Their foisting of a terrible State Coordinator on us in 2012 set back our grassroots organizing efforts. We lost valuable momentum, wasted energy and time on damage control, and lost potential recruits as a result. We cant let that happen again. On the other hand, we saw during both the 2008 and 2012 campaigns the potential of decentralized, grassroots organizing, inspired by a bold vision. People came out of the woodwork, offering their skills, talents and treasure unselfishly in a group effort. Central coordination was minimal, and based upon authority flowing from the bottom up, instead of being imposed from the top down. If we can inspire a bold, longer term vision that can release that kind of motivation again, we can change the state. A Long-Term Vision Gives Focus, Priorities and Synergy to Our Efforts “Vision – a clear mental image of a preferable future imparted by God to His chosen servants, and based on an accurate understanding of God, self and circumstances.” – George Barna Imagine what the nations political process would be like if, after the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, Ron Paul had actively empowered a movement for the grassroots in each state to get involved in their State GOPs to transform each state into free states. What if all that money raised by Ron Paul, Inc. had been invested in the propagation of this vision and for real grassroots training to make it possible? What if the best minds in the movement were hard at work developing blueprints and platform planks for making the states free? What if we had elected the State GOP Chairman in 2012, and had used the ensuing two years to do on a statewide scope what has been happening in Carter County? What if we now had headquarters open in all 77 counties? What if each county had regular county and precinct meetings, engaged in RITA, with valuable information about political issues being imparted, along with grassroots political training? What if all that recruiting and educating had resulted in a liberty candidate contesting every open seat in 2014? What would be the impact of the liberty message being shared so often, in so many venues, with candidates taking it to the doorstep of every active voter? By developing and holding up a long-term vision, we can provide a larger context to promote synergy and direction for our efforts. Instead of waiting for the rare, qualified candidates who embody our ideals to appear, we can build the movement with RITA, and develop the candidates we need. Each project, each campaign builds experience, locates and trains new recruits, and adds to our lists of activists. Moreover, all these efforts combine synergistically to penetrate and change the public conversation about politics. I suggest that we set our goal to make Oklahoma a free state by the year 2020. While that might seem outlandish at first blush, I think not. The task is conceptually easy, but will take effort to accomplish. We can be encouraged by the words attributed to Samuel Adams: “It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” The key to setting those brushfires is to activate the imaginations of our target audience with a bold, clear vision of what we intend. The bigger and more bold, the better – as long as the desired outcome is seen as possible. When a growing number of people start imagining and intending their own future based on living in Liberty, then our movement will take hold. 2 Later in this proposal a time line is sketched out, based on simple activities to build the grassroots. Frankly, we dont have the luxury of a lot of time. Our nation is in a critical state of flux as we go through the crisis predicted in The Fourth Turning. We need to recruit and train more liberty activists. Winning in politics ultimately comes down to the vote. We need the proverbial “fifty percent plus one” to win most any election. Since we have fallen short in previous endeavors, and since our 2020 goal is ambitious, we need to grow enough new activists not only to win elections for county and state GOP offices, but for the local and legislative offices as well. Luckily, voter turnout at official precinct meetings and subsequent conventions is generally so low, that a well-organized minority can win party offices at every level. We can become a dominant political force by providing valuable information and training to voters, and turning out the vote. Many demographics are ripe for recruitment. The first would be people who voted for Ron Paul, Dax Ewbank, Chad Moody, Anna Flatt, as well as worked for other liberty-oriented candidates. All the voting data, detailed to the precinct level, is available from the State Election Board in spreadsheet formats. In 2014, Dax got 24,020, Chad 40,839, Anna 7,511. In 2012, Ron Paul got 27,596 votes. These voters are living in the precincts. We just need to find and involve them. The second group is the growing number of productive people who can no longer dismiss the deteriorating state of our country. The economy is in terrible shape, and there is no end to new wars. We have a chance to recruit, educate and train them, and help them find a place to work. We just have to show them how their participation can make a difference, and that they can have fun doing it. I met several of these people recently during a short stint working the GOP booth at the State Fair. Three of us were able to get the contact information from six people in 4 hours, and we were improvising as we went. I also met a number of people while knocking doors for candidates who would fit the profile of this target audience. I have no doubt that at least 3% of the registered voters are aware and concerned enough that we could recruit them to meaningful activism. That is the same percentage of the colonists active in the War for Independence. A well-thought out, coordinated recruiting effort could bring in thousands. We could have booths at gun shows, swap meets, outside sports events, etc. If we make ourselves available in the right places, the potential activists will find us. We can also find them while canvassing a precinct. There are a number of other demographics that are ripe for recruitment. Each of them deserves special outreach efforts, based on the issues that are important to them. Re-vitalizing the Precincts as Town Meetings and Centers of Community Life is Fundamental to Success. “Town meetings are to liberty what primary schools are to science; they bring it within the peoples reach, they teach men how to use and how to enjoy it. A nation may establish a free government, but without municipal institutions it cannot have the spirit of liberty.” Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, Book 1, Chapter V, 1840 3 “My findings . . . show that citizens will participate—and often at great cost to themselves— when they know the political arena is small enough for them to make a difference and there are issues at stake that really matter to them. . . . Decentralism and empowerment: put these requirements together and democracy will flourish. Take either away and it will die. Citizens are not born. They are raised. The single most recurrent theme in the literature on the town meeting in the 19th Century—when town meetings were much stronger than they are now—was the notion that town meetings are schoolhouses of citizenship.” From an interview with Frank M. Brian, author Real Democracy: The New England Town Meeting No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. - Albert Einstein Living in freedom works best when people know their neighbors, living in community of voluntary association. Weve lost that sense of community in todays era of mass urbanization and technological solitude. Grassroots citizen involvement is all but gone, having been co-opted by high tech media campaigns driven by political consultants spending lots of money that comes with strings attached. American politics in the 20th century is a mere shadow of what Tocqueville observed. Today mass media and big money, controlled by political consultants, have disempowered the people. Edward Bernays work of engineering consensus with propaganda, along with a century of efforts by groups like the Rand Corporation, Tavistock Institute, BF Skinner, the CIA and others, have all but obliterated our democratic, Constitutional Republic. As a result, many people don’t even register to vote, and many of those registered rarely vote. A recent study by Princeton and Northwestern Universities shows the US has actually become an oligarchy, with special interests setting the agenda, and little concern paid to the desires of the electorate. Our only hope of changing this politically is to restore institutions that function as the New England town meetings did. The Precinct Town Meeting is where we will rebuild the institutions that Tocqueville saw as the cradle of Liberty in American civic life. Direct democracy at the town level, where each citizen is a legislator in the process of choosing delegates and working on issues that directly affect them, is the key to active citizen involvement. It all begins at the grassroots. The precincts are the foundation of our system of government. The precinct officers are theoretically the most powerful political offices in the land. However, almost 50% of the offices are vacant. Even those seldom meet more often than once a year, and then primarily just to elect their own officers and delegates for the county conventions. Beyond, there is virtually nothing. That is where our big opportunity lies. We have a biblical example in the story of Nehemiah. He saw that the walls of Jerusalem were torn down, allowing her enemies free rein, with chaos, lawlessness and demoralization as a result. He inspired the people with vision to rebuild the walls. Each family worked on the wall closest to where they lived. They worked together diligently, ignoring the critics and naysayers, and rebuilt the walls in 53 days. Today, our walls of active citizenship (town meetings) are torn down. People have lost hope that they 4 can have any meaningful impact on government at any level. The economy is in shambles. The wars seem endless. Special interests rule. Bankruptcy and currency collapse are inevitable. The total surveillance state is matched by police state powers. They are ready for meaningful change. [Obama capitalized on this sentiment with his mantra of Hope and Change, based on deep survey research.] Precinct Town Meetings are where we can recruit, inform, train and activate people who are waking up. We can start crucial conversations on subjects like urban agriculture, how to provide mutual aid and support, neighborhood security and defense, benevolence, local issues, as well as provide political training. To make the meetings meaningful, and keep people coming back, they should be more than mere formalities. A Simple Model for Precinct Town Meetings We need a systematic approach to holding effective precinct town meetings. They should be well-run, have informative content and encourage social interaction to keep people coming back and increasing their involvement. We will provide easy resources to help precinct leaders hold successful meetings. Ideally we should have the meetings monthly, on a Monday or Tuesday evening. We can provide video content pertinent to the seasons of the meetings. With a one-hour webcast, people can view the video in privacy, in a home neighborhood meeting, a precinct level meeting, or town or county meeting. The goal is to have precinct meetings in a location within the precinct, where we can get 10-20 or more people together. Local content and activities can be put on either side of the video part of the meeting. The videos will be saved and made available for on-demand viewing at any time. Using the video feeds in a precinct meeting is optional, depending on what those in the precincts want to do and what is needed at the time. We want to empower, not control, the grassroots. If the official precinct chair is vacant, or if unwilling to participate, volunteer precinct leaders can hold unofficial precinct town meetings until the next official party precinct meeting (where they should be able to get elected Chair if they have done their work.) I like to think of anyone who is consistently participating in these meetings as “precinct leaders.” There is no reason we cant have 10 or 20 in a precinct. Being Elected to Party Leadership Makes Our Task Much Easier When Joshua led the Israelites into the Promised Land, God had told them all the land was theirs. But until they developed the skills to administer the lands, the heathens would stay in control. What that means for politics is that we shouldn’t expect the party to be turned over to amateurs, no matter how well-intended. When we prevail in the party elections, we will have proven our mettle in important campaigns. Then it will be our turn to show what we can do. The Carter County experience shows what can happen when a County Party is controlled by the grassroots. We need to replicate this in every county, with Oklahoma and Tulsa Counties being prime objectives. An analysis of the last two State and County elections will tell us where we can pick up valuable support by gaining representation in the 40% over more precincts that are underrepresented, or not represented at all. If we had been able to fill all those vacant precinct offices with liberty people in 2012 and 2013, it is quite likely the grassroots, instead of the consultants, would be directing the OK GOP today. 5 Carefully Craft our Message to Attract New People, While Weakening the Republican Establishments Will to Resist. In the tradition of Sun Tzu, excellence in warfare is when we can win without firing a shot. There are a number of actions we can take to weakening the Establishments will to resist. · Make friends and build relationships. Work together on projects in the party. Weve seen in OK County that process at work with many of the party regulars who now see that we are motivated by liberty, and dont see us as demons out to destroy the GOP. Similar reports are coming in from around the state. Resistance will melt when we realize we have similar goals. · Help the Establishment remember that new people integrating with the party and eventually taking over leadership is an old story. In my lifetime weve seen it with the people activated by the Goldwater, Reagan and Robertson campaigns. They should realize that without new blood coming in, with interest and enthusiasm, the party will die. · Realize that the most of the Establishment were once idealists, and still are at some level. Most of that time they had to think and act like a minority party, because they were. Most of the time they were grateful to have Republican candidates, and revered those elected. The idea of holding officials accountable to the principles of a platform has been largely a foreign concept. · Remember that many have been involved so long that the party has become a vital part of their status and social life. They wont want to give that up easily. On the other hand, many of them are past retirement age, and would be glad to pass the torch to new blood, if they thought it would be okay. We can help them feel that way. · We need to let them know we want the benefit of their experience and wisdom, but not their resistance if they dont have a better idea. · Many in the Establishment are Christians. We need to share first principles with them, principles that are grounded in Christianity. Libertarians value self-ownership (under God), selfresponsibility, and acting toward others according to the Golden Rule. The Bible says “Where the Spirit of Liberty is, there is the Lord.” 2 Cor. 3:17 · Instill a sense of inevitability that we will prevail. Keep showing up. Continually stress the principles of Liberty, and their congruence with the Founders’ beliefs, the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. Indeed, the first sentence of the OK GOP Platform is: “We believe in limited government, individual liberty, and personal moral responsibility.” Set a Goal to Have Liberty Candidates Running for Every Office Campaigns provide excellent opportunities to grow our movement. As we progress, we should be able to develop a liberty platform for state and local level offices. Thus far, most of our policy prescriptions are for national politics. As we have candidates and their supporters taking advantage of every opportunity to share the message, the culture will change. Changing the culture is ultimately what we need to do. The value of campaigns includes: · Replacing bad politicians with better ones. · Identification, recruitment and training of new activists. · Building organizational infrastructure. · Education. Ideas-based campaigns confront the status quo with new ideas, stimulating thought and new perspectives, ultimately changing the culture. What was once new and radical becomes 6 accepted common sense. As the victories start to come in, we will be able to demonstrate to our own troops that grassroots campaigns can win over well-financed campaigns with no grassroots support. We recently saw that as Steve Russell was outspent 5 to 1, yet soundly defeated Patrice Douglas in the CD 5 race. In addition, these victories will demonstrate to the incumbent politicians that they can no longer ignore the grassroots, making all our efforts more effective. Give Serious Consideration to Changing the OK GOP to a Caucus System from Primaries Using caucuses instead of primaries to elect candidates for the general election is a logical extension of the Precinct Town Meeting system. The primary system disempowers the grassroots and puts the elections into the hands of the consultants and Big Money. Utah has a great explanation of how their caucus system works in this parody of why the caucus system must be defeated to preserve the privileges of special interests. Conceivably we could make this change in 2015 using the same votes we will use to take over the party. On the other hand, pushing the change prematurely could ignite a reaction from the Establishment stronger than we might get without it. Proposed Time line for 2020 Vision 2014 Assemble core group statewide for this project Start monthly Precinct Town Meetings Canvass as many precincts as possible to find potential activists. Start building infrastructure and implement this plan. Seek support from the various liberty groups whose members can work to achieve their goals through the precinct town meeting process. Ask all those groups to help us produce a video presentation explaining their issues with all the precincts.. Conduct other outreach activities. See time table for first 7 months below. 2015 Continue monthly Precinct Town Meetings Decide if we want to go for changing OK to a caucus state at the State Convention. January – Official GOP precinct meetings, TBA March – GOP County Conventions, TBA April – GOP State Convention, TBA – Win top party offices Post-convention – step up the precinct plan using the full force of the party machinery. Begin work on liberty platforms for all levels of elected offices – municipal, school, county, state. 2016 Continue all of the above. Field a full slate of liberty candidates for every office possible. Elect many of those candidates. Publicize liberty platforms for municipal, school, county and state elections. Make an impact on Presidential elections, especially if we change to a caucus state in 2015. Begin holding office holders accountable to the Party Platform, to which we will have given a much 7 needed face lift. 2017 Continue the plan 2018 Continue the plan Elect a liberty candidate for Governor and Lt. Governor Achieve a majority in the State House and Senate so we can pass the legislation necessary to transform the state. 2020 Continue the plan. Achieve a majority in the State House and Senate so we can pass the legislation necessary to transform the state. Time line for next 6 months [This has been roughly revised to fit the shortened time table from when the plan was first put together in September. The major short term objective is to flood the precinct meetings with new liberty people to get them elected as official precinct officers, as well as delegates to the county and state conventions. As support builds we will get a better idea what revisions need to be made. Much of the planning, informing and training for the official GOP precinct meetings will need to be done by weekly conference calls. We may schedule some kind of a county meetings scenario for mid-January for morale boosting and final training before the real meetings.} November - December · Refine this plan. · Build core group of activists committed to the plan. · Start weekly conference calls to discuss the project and the achievement of the first goal – flooding the official GOP precinct meetings with new liberty activists. · Set up Wiggio, Loomio, or other platform to do the serious work of organizing. · Set up appropriate social media groups, at the state, county and precinct levels. Encourage common names like Oklahoma Citizenship Project – OK, Oklahoma Citizenship Project – Tulsa County, Oklahoma Citizenship Project - Precinct 30006, etc. Also, Sandie Crosnoe has some good grassroots sites up for us to use, as well as county maps, etc. · Secure appropriate URLs. · Determine how to make it easy for people to sign up to participate. · Develop model flyer to hand out on doorsteps in precinct canvassing to announce the precinct town hall meetings. · Locate lists of activists from 2012 and 2013 state conventions · Find actual vote counts and such from those conventions so we know better what we need to do. · Kick off Precinct Town Meetings with Video meeting · Develop our infrastructure by Counties, House Districts, and Precincts. · Canvass precincts. Hand out literature. Invite people to November precinct town meeting. · Begin vetting candidates to run for GOP leadership positions at county and state level. · First live precinct town meetings, with video content available for all. (Maybe) 8 January · Live precinct town meetings or video conference –January 5 or 6. · Refine plan for the official precinct meetings · Late January – Official Precinct Meetings. February · Live precinct town meetings or more calls – Depends on dates of official precinct meetings. · Preparations for the County Conventions March · Live precinct town meetings. March 2-3 · Preparations for County Conventions. · County Conventions, TBA April - May · Live precinct town hall meetings – Depends on date of State Convention · Late April, early May – State Conventions This Project is Achievable with Volunteers Committed to a Systematic Plan Weve already established that the people we want to find are out there, and that they are registered to vote. Now we just need a systematic methodology to find, recruit, inform, train, and activate (RITA) them. One of the easiest ways to look at this is like network marketing. Network marketers operate on the philosophy that some will, and some wont. They are used to going through nine people who won’t to find the tenth who will. Our job is to show our prospects that our project (product) will work, and that they can have fun doing it. The following numbers indicate this can be done rather rapidly, at least to the point of getting enough support to achieve our 2015 goals. November Kickoff Video Meeting – 300 commitments to get 4 people for November precinct town meetings or to the video December – 1,200 people commit to get 4 more people for December. January – 4,800 people commit to get 4 more people for January. Official Precinct meetings – 19,200 people commit to go later in Jan. or Feb. 1,956 Precincts in Oklahoma. 7,824 Precinct Officers possible. 40-50% of those are now vacant. Reportedly 3% of the population was active in the American Revolution. 3% of the registered voters in OK is about 57,000, or about 30 per precinct. Recruiting our 300 foundational members · Ron Paul activists first – phone calls, emails 9 · Activists from associated groups and new allies. · Other demographics with liberty issues. Key Positions to Fill for Coordinating the Project Front Person(s) – State Administrative Coordinator – to keep track of the overall accumulation of precinct leaders by precinct, and helping us to target efforts where the opportunities exist. Keeper of the master spreadsheet (multiple backups) Congressional District Coordinators House District Coordinators County Coordinators Video production Message formulation and distribution – handouts, monthly newsletter, publicity, etc. IT support for the video conferencing, associated websites, etc. Social media coordination Agenda for Precinct Town Meeting Kickoff One hour (or less), professionally produced video conference Objectives: · to announce the project · give an overview of the plan · explain the politics of the various levels of political involvement leading up to the State Convention · lay out first-step activities to take starting with precinct canvassing and the first precinct town meetings in November · get commitments to be part of our founding 300 1. Introduction to the Oklahoma Citizenship Project (or whatever benign name we choose) – · Share the Vision · Why citizens feel disconnected from a Congress with a 14% approval rate. · Precinct Town Meetings – restoring the town hall institutions that empowered the people and birthed everything that is good about American system of government. · The Precinct Officer – the most powerful, (unused) political office in the nation. 2. The Plan – · Recruiting and empowering Oklahoma citizens to become precinct leaders to make Oklahoma government more accountable. · Everyone involved is learning to be a precinct leader, even though not everyone can be an elected Precinct Officer. · The mechanics of the Precinct Town Meeting · RITA · GOTV · The process for 2015 through precinct meetings, county and state conventions · What to do in November 10 3. How we do it in Carter County (and how you can do it in your precinct) – Anna Flatt · Carter County history · Headquarters · Outlying town meetings · Other outreach activities. Report on the recent kegger with newly registered voters. 4. Answer Questions – All 5. Get commitments – Leverage our efforts by sharing with other states. If we are able to get precinct town meetings going, we can provide a workable model to the Liberty Movement in other states. Just as Carter County can become a model for the rest of our counties, Oklahoma can become a model for the nation. As other states pick up and begin implementing this vision, we will also be able to learn from their efforts. The synergistic effects of this happening in many states could have a surprising impact on national politics. Security The tactic of surprise suggests we should not publicize the entire scope of this project. However, we obviously cant keep it secret. What we can do is to assure that those in the core group are committed to the vision, and are beyond the debating stage of whether it is worth working in the GOP. Our deepest conversations are not for public consumption. Moving Forward – Back to the Future If we in the liberty movement really want to transform America, we need to shift our focus to the state and local level. We need to infuse life into the precincts, raising them from the dead, and return them to a place of citizenship in action. We will be building new institutions in the 21st century, based on ideas that developed in the 17th and 18th centuries. If we do that, we will be building the citizen activists of tomorrow. Lets double our numbers, and then double them again, and again. Lets locate those who are ready to hear the message of liberty, and help them understand the foundational principles. Lets recruit, inform, train and activate them. Lets empower them to transform Oklahoma into a truly free state. Then we can use the Tenth Amendment to send the Feds packing. If we have built up the infrastructure with precinct town meetings, we will be able to cultivate a virtual garden of increasingly knowledgeable and capable citizen activists. If we will do that, then we have a chance of restoring Liberty for another generation. If we do it right, maybe they will be able to keep the Republic this time! Precinct Project Resources Fortunately, resurrecting the precincts is not a new idea. Unfortunately, not many people have taken up this task with any significant, long-term results. Nevertheless, the timing has never been better for this project. With a systematic plan we should be able to make use of a number of these excellent resources: The Precinct Project by the Madison Project -- some really good tools, manuals, etc. 11 precinctproject.us/ Taking our Country Back - Sarasota, FL takingourcountryback.net/ Wag the Dog 2010 -great video wagthedog2010/ OK SAFE -- most powerful office oksafe.wordpress/2011/01/08/the-precinct-the-most-powerful-office-get-involvedelections - 212011/ The Precinct Projects Blog theprecinctproject.wordpress/ Implement the Precinct Strategy -- Guardians for Liberty guardiansforliberty/implement-the-precinct-strategy.html The Most Powerful Office in the Land networkamerica.org/most_powerful_office.htm Eagle Forum on the Importance of the Precinct Captain eagleforum.org/misc/brochures/precinct-committman.shtml Another Precinct Explanation meetup/national-precinct The Precinct Projects Blog theprecinctproject.wordpress/ 12 Porter Davis ThePrecinctLeader MyFlowerBuyer
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