A month later I created Ygdrasil. =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 03-25-93 (23:22) Number: 8173 From: BILL MILLER Refer#: NONE To: JOHN MARTZALL Recvd: NO Subj: Re: outta here.... Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I read with interest your comment to Vince on the use of profanity in poetry. I agree with you strongly and would like to add a couple pf thoughts of my own. First, is that strong language is like a powerful spice - say like cayenne pepper. Ocassionally the use of profanity can give weight and powerful emphasis to something. But its affect is in relation to the degree of contrast to the normal tone. Too much and you have a plate full of pepper. Not very appealing. Second, the suggested image is often more powerful than something explicitly stated. Profanity or obscenity is too often used to immitate strength in something that actually has little weight. I would like to see some of your poems. Perhaps you have posted some but I have missed them. Your age is not an issue as far as I am concerned. I know a number of poets under 20 that are writing wonderful things - beautiful, sensitive, powerful things. The worst seem to be inspired mostly by heavy metal lyrics. (IMHO) --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 þ TNet 3.60 ÷ Intelec Net þ The Hub! BBS þ Tulsa, OK þ 918-627-0923 =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 03-24-93 (18:10) Number: 8197 From: IGAL KOSHEVOY Refer#: NONE To: KLAUS GERKEN Recvd: NO Subj: Re: OUTTA HERE.... Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -=> Quoting Klaus Gerken to Jackie Jones I am sorry you think that way, my friend. I have dealt with the Klaus, bravo! That was so beautifully written that I had to save it. I am standing and applauding! (Clap, clap, clap!) ... Who has the bread makes the laws. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- þ TNet 3.60 ÷ Intelec(tm): NW Computer Support + 503-620-5910 + Pdx OR + 1:105/ =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 03-25-93 (21:58) Number: 8233 From: IGAL KOSHEVOY Refer#: NONE To: JAMES EVERS Recvd: NO Subj: Re: OUTTA HERE.... Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -=> Quoting James Evers to Klaus Gerken favorite works which has appeared in this conference is Igal Koshevoys JE> F*ing H*ll. (I dont like the H word either. My religious JE> upbringing.) Id hate to have lost out on reading that one because my JE> filters were preset to zap any poem which contained obscene JE> vocabulary. Usually, however, use of so-called forbidden words is a Gee, thats interesting finding someone talkin bout my poems! Glad you liked it, since I didnt get many positive replies (actually 0). Honestly, I thought that it didnt get received because no one said anything - youll be happy, I just reposted it in the *** version.... Im zapping out the words with ***, but I guess that doesnt do the job still. About H*ll, I tend to abuse the word because it holds a slightly different meaning to myself, a Jew. I agree with you that its not good when people start getting stuck up on darkness, violence, and swearing. My excuse is that I only write when Im in a BAD mood, and when Im in a good mood I am never near a computer nor pencil. Anyways, why spoil a good time by pullin out a pad of paper? So dont think that Im too stuck up, as my poems show me being. I liked the explanation of vulgar - that has power unto itself. As in BIPOLAr(BEAR) it was designed to show a more simplistic person, in fury, violent and ticked off as the Devil with 7 horns and 9 tails. ... Assumption #1: Dan Quayle is smarter than broccoli. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- þ TNet 3.60 ÷ Intelec(tm): NW Computer Support + 503-620-5910 + Pdx OR + 1:105/ =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (09:03) Number: 8414 From: DAVID BUCCI Refer#: NONE To: HENK HOPE Recvd: NO Subj: Profanity Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -> and thats not even the worst one! I just wanted everyone to know that -> freedom of speech is in the constitution! Noone should be yelled at for Sorry, your Freedom of Speech ends where Intelec begins. You must follow the Intelec Guidelines when posting in Intelec. This is the only right you have, other than the right to be banned from Intelec for not following the rules. Understand one thing, Intelec is not here to censor ideas or thoughts, but to enforce the Rules and Guidelines set forth. Profanity and vulgarity are forbidden on Intelec, no ifs, ands or buts about it. This is *not* open for debate. The Intelec Guidelines are the authority in this conference. Anyone that wishes to challenge this will be asked to cease or be banned from participation in Intelec. Intelec is a privately owned network and is bound only by the Guidelines written and enforced by its owner, Cliff Watkins. David Bucci - Intelec Admin Staff, Conference Coordinator --- þ Intelec þ Happy Hacker BBS þ 216-992-6930 þ Ashtabula, OH =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (17:10) Number: 8415 From: DAVID BUCCI Refer#: NONE To: KLAUS GERKEN Recvd: YES Subj: Moderator Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- KG>Mr. Socko, I was appointed Co-Moderator of this conference by Inez >Harrison over six months ago. In fact I just spoke to her by phone for Nobody from the Intelec Admin Staff appointed you anything. All moderator appointments come from myself, the Intelec Conference Coordinator, or Cliff Watkins, the Network Administrator. Co-Moderators are also approved by myself. KG>over two hours this past Sunday. If you have any problem with the way >this conference is run, you should first be speaking to me. In fact Inez As a matter of fact, thats why were here, because we do have a problem with the way this conference is being run. And no, we are not speaking to you first about it. Intelec does not recognize you as anything to do with this conference. My assistant, Mr. Socko, has been trying for several weeks to reach Inez to inquire about the activity in here. Since we felt there was a problem that needed addressed, we tried locating the approved moderator. When no response was sent for nearly two weeks, we took administrative action and took over the moderating of this conference. The profanity that is all over the messages in this conference *will* stop, now! KG>told me that she had put forth a proposal to Admin to appoint me full >moderator of this conference. I can assure you that none has been turned in. I would have had it by now. I can also assure you that judging from the attitude you have and by your lack of understanding of the Intelec Rules and Guidelines, you will *not* be the moderator any time soon. KG>Should you be willing to speak to me, I would be more then willing to >make my views known to you, and discuss my plans for this conference. >Until that time I refuse to relinquish my duties on this conference, This is an Official Warning to you. Intelec does not recognize your self-appointed authority as moderator. You will cease using the moderator signature at once and you will cease referencing yourself as the Poetry Moderator. If you wish to challenge my authority to do this, you are being warned right now, do *not* discuss this any further in this, the Poetry conference. Any inquiries and discussions on this thread *will* continue in Intelecs public Net Admin conference, where Cliff Watkins and myself will be more than happy to explain the Rules. David Bucci - Intelec Admin Staff, Conference Coordinator --- þ Intelec þ Happy Hacker BBS þ 216-992-6930 þ Ashtabula, OH =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (18:12) Number: 8416 From: DAVID BUCCI Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: Official Conference Notic Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ÚÄÄÄÄ¿ ßßßÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßßß ßßßÛÛ ÛÛßßß ÀÄÄÄÄÙ ** This is an official administrative message from Intelec ** By the authority given to me by Cliff Watkins, the Intelec Network Administrator, the Poetry Conference is hereby placed on NOTICE for removal from the Intelec conference lineup. Effective immediately, Michael Socko has been appointed temporary moderator of the Poetry Conference. Michael will be enforcing all Intelec Rules and Guidelines. The temporary status will remain until such time as a permanent replacement can be found. The Poetry Conference is being given 30 days to comply with all Intelec Rules and Guidelines. On May 1, 1993, if the Intelec Administration feels that the Poetry Conference participants are still not following the Rules and Guidelines, this conference will cease to exist on Intelec. The main issue that prompted this official action is the repeated abuse of profanity and vulgarity in this conference. Intelec Rules and Guidelines clearly state: Flaming, vulgarity and/or libelous statements are grounds for removal. This includes the usage of profanity within messages on Intelec. Intelec does not want to censor any thoughts, ideas or text of messages UNLESS the content does not comply with the Rules and Guidelines. Several participants have mentioned that by eliminating vulgarities and profanity from their messaging, that we are violating their Freedom of Speech. On that issue, the Rules and Guidelines state: Intelec is operated as a public service of Intelec Business Network Inc and Intelec Online serves as the Net Host BBS. The Network is run by the Administration, Cliff Watkins, who is also the SysOp of Intelec Online and the President of Intelec Business Network, Inc. But while Intelec operates as a public service, it is NOT a public access net- work. We are a private network thus the rules of operation that have been set forth in this document supercede any and all rights set forth outside of this document. Therefore, Freedom of Speech cannot be used as an argument for justifying the breaking of Intelecs Rules and Guidelines, as Intelec is a private network. The full text of Intelecs Rules and Guidelines are always available to any Intelec participant. The files name is IN-XXXX.ZIP, where XXXX is the year and month. The most current file would be IN-9304.ZIP. If your local system does not have this file, ask your Sysop to obtain it for you. Previous editions of this file are no longer in effect. If anyone wishes to discuss this administrative action, you are invited to move this to Intelecs fully public Net Admin conference. Messages concerning this action will *not* continue in the Poetry Conference. All inquiries will be responded to with a response in Net Admin, so it would be in your best interest to move the message there to start with. David Bucci - Intelec Admin Staff, Conference Coordinator --- þ Intelec þ Happy Hacker BBS þ 216-992-6930 þ Ashtabula, OH =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (18:59) Number: 8417 From: MICHAEL SOCKO Refer#: NONE To: GERALD DEJONG Recvd: NO Subj: MODERATOR/CENSOR Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GD¯³this amounts to CENSORSHIP! television is worse than this GD¯³conference by a long shot. where do you folks feel this GD¯³silly authority of yours coming from anyway? By the time that you get this message you will have already received a message from me on this subject. In that message the silly authority has been explained. The rules of Intelec have been explained. There is not much more to say on this subject, when you enter a message in the Intelec E-Mail network freedom of speech ends there. * Poetry Conf. Moderator --- þ RoseReader 2.10á P004337 þ Intelec þ The Mad House BBS þ 216-593-4438 þ Conneaut, OH þ USR Dual =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (19:21) Number: 8418 From: MICHAEL SOCKO Refer#: NONE To: ANDREW DAVIE Recvd: NO Subj: NOTICE Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- AD¯³Is it okay if astericks are used in place of certain letters? For AD¯³example, would the sentence, Censorship ***** ****. be considered AD¯³appropriate? No using the first couple of letters and marking out one or two others is not acceptable. AD¯³I HAVE noticed this type of usage in other, less arty, AD¯³conferences with no outcry from the faint-of-heart(or brain). Well when you see something like that in a conference and its not moderated, then I would have to say the moderator is asleep at the switch. * Poetry Conf. Moderator --- þ RoseReader 2.10á P004337 þ Intelec þ The Mad House BBS þ 216-593-4438 þ Conneaut, OH þ USR Dual =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 03-31-93 (05:26) Number: 8305 From: KLAUS GERKEN Refer#: 8297 To: MICHAEL SOCKO Recvd: NO Subj: Moderator Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- MS>Hello everyone, Im going to be the temporary moderator of this MS>conference until another moderator can be found. I have tried to locate MS>Inez Harrison for the past couple of weeks in several of the Intelec MS>conferences. I have had no response from Inez, so I will be standing in MS>until either Inez shows up or another moderator is found. Mr. Socko, I was appointed Co-Moderator of this conference by Inez Harrison over six months ago. In fact I just spoke to her by phone for over two hours this past Sunday. If you have any problem with the way this conference is run, you should first be speaking to me. In fact Inez told me that she had put forth a proposal to Admin to appoint me full moderator of this conference. I am not at this point going get into a discussion about censorship, but you must surely be aware of my message on the subject to Jackie Jones (Copies to Inez and All) and also the NOTICE I posted a few days ago. It seems you chose to ignore all of this and simply deny one the opportunity to explain the situation. This is what I call censorship. Should you be willing to speak to me, I would be more then willing to make my views known to you, and discuss my plans for this conference. Until that time I refuse to relinquish my duties on this conference, (into which, by the way, I have invested a lot of time, effort and money to make it some viable in the world of poetry). KLaus Gerken, Co-Moderator IntelecNet Poetry Conference --- þ OLX 2.2 þ Reasonable enthusiasm is the patrimony of great poets. =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (09:03) Number: 8414 From: DAVID BUCCI Refer#: NONE To: HENK HOPE Recvd: NO Subj: Profanity Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -> and thats not even the worst one! I just wanted everyone to know that -> freedom of speech is in the constitution! Noone should be yelled at for Sorry, your Freedom of Speech ends where Intelec begins. You must follow the Intelec Guidelines when posting in Intelec. This is the only right you have, other than the right to be banned from Intelec for not following the rules. Understand one thing, Intelec is not here to censor ideas or thoughts, but to enforce the Rules and Guidelines set forth. Profanity and vulgarity are forbidden on Intelec, no ifs, ands or buts about it. This is *not* open for debate. The Intelec Guidelines are the authority in this conference. Anyone that wishes to challenge this will be asked to cease or be banned from participation in Intelec. Intelec is a privately owned network and is bound only by the Guidelines written and enforced by its owner, Cliff Watkins. David Bucci - Intelec Admin Staff, Conference Coordinator --- þ Intelec þ Happy Hacker BBS þ 216-992-6930 þ Ashtabula, OH =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 04-01-93 (17:10) Number: 8415 From: DAVID BUCCI Refer#: NONE To: KLAUS GERKEN Recvd: YES Subj: Moderator Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- KG>Mr. Socko, I was appointed Co-Moderator of this conference by Inez >Harrison over six months ago. In fact I just spoke to her by phone for Nobody from the Intelec Admin Staff appointed you anything. All moderator appointments come from myself, the Intelec Conference Coordinator, or Cliff Watkins, the Network Administrator. Co-Moderators are also approved by myself. KG>over two hours this past Sunday. If you have any problem with the way >this conference is run, you should first be speaking to me. In fact Inez As a matter of fact, thats why were here, because we do have a problem with the way this conference is being run. And no, we are not speaking to you first about it. Intelec does not recognize you as anything to do with this conference. My assistant, Mr. Socko, has been trying for several weeks to reach Inez to inquire about the activity in here. Since we felt there was a problem that needed addressed, we tried locating the approved moderator. When no response was sent for nearly two weeks, we took administrative action and took over the moderating of this conference. The profanity that is all over the messages in this conference *will* stop, now! KG>told me that she had put forth a proposal to Admin to appoint me full >moderator of this conference. I can assure you that none has been turned in. I would have had it by now. I can also assure you that judging from the attitude you have and by your lack of understanding of the Intelec Rules and Guidelines, you will *not* be the moderator any time soon. KG>Should you be willing to speak to me, I would be more then willing to >make my views known to you, and discuss my plans for this conference. >Until that time I refuse to relinquish my duties on this conference, This is an Official Warning to you. Intelec does not recognize your self-appointed authority as moderator. You will cease using the moderator signature at once and you will cease referencing yourself as the Poetry Moderator. If you wish to challenge my authority to do this, you are being warned right now, do *not* discuss this any further in this, the Poetry conference. Any inquiries and discussions on this thread *will* continue in Intelecs public Net Admin conference, where Cliff Watkins and myself will be more than happy to explain the Rules. David Bucci - Intelec Admin Staff, Conference Coordinator --- þ Intelec þ Happy Hacker BBS þ 216-992-6930 þ Ashtabula, OH =========================================================================== BBS: Synapse BBS Date: 03-28-93 (15:54) Number: 8175 From: KLAUS GERKEN Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: NOTICE Conf: (106) Poetry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************** * * * NN N OOOOOO TTTTT I CCCCC EEEEEE * * N N N O O T I C E * * N N N O O T I C EEEE * * N NN O O T I C E * * N N OOOOOO T I CCCCC EEEEEE * * * *************************************************** Beginning immediately, this Poetry Conference will revert to being FAMILY ORIENTED. That means no expletives, whether in Poems or Messages will be tolerated. It is hoped that all participants will comply and use some self restraint when deciding what to post. I feel this has become a great conference, and many of the poems posted here are excellent examples of the craft. It is hoped the standard will continue and therefore allow younger poets just starting out an insight of how wonderful and inspirational this craft can be. I feel it is up to us to set an example. Further exploration can always be made outside this medium. Klaus J. Gerken IntelecNet Poetry Conference Host --- þ OLX 2.2 þ Co-moderator IntelecNet Poetry Conference
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