Joram Jorry Matomela with Onkutlule Isaka Petros and 17 others The genius that was Dr kenneth Koma-When he supported and endorsed Ian Khama to the V.P position back then in 98,could he had forseen that he will in the long term be the BDP silent bomb? Like · · Share · 15 hours ago via BlackBerry Smartphones App · 10 people like this.. 1 share. Jabu Oteng to be fair he really had no choice in the matter the report by schelemmer had sealed the deal really, he was wise enough to know that there was nothing that could be done regarding mogaes decision 15 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela Not thát his word mattered then, but his choice reveals the intellect in him. You are a leader and presented with two choices. Ian Khama v David Magang,the formers oñly claim to leadership credentials is on the back of an accident of birth, being the son of Seretse,and possibly militáry training. The other is a sophisticated businessman and polítician. His leadership style possibly would have béen more inclusive and lesa destructive as Ian Khama. 15 hours ago · Like.. Kabo Diamond Moseki Ken Koma,was more concerned with the preservation of his royal cousins,his first loyalty was to the khamas,he was more interested in Ngwato dominance know this because at some point when I was part of a delegation that went to see him at his village house about the divisions he was sowing in the party,he called me aside and said that as a Man from Mahalapye and being mongwato tribesman the party belonged to us and we should be careful of the outsiders........I was troubled by this remarks for years..... 15 hours ago · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe But probabli he knew how the army men worked cde and he peedicted exactli wht SKI turned out to be. Pity whn he thought his party ws goin to tyk advantage the devil ws at work tryin veri hard to neutrilise BNF. Mogae yes he knew he ws goin for SKI bt he ws also workin with Nchindo to reverse BNF gains. I mean pple are failin to ask thmselves why Dingake & Otladisa wr asked about VP posirion before BNF leader & leader of opposition Dr Koma? Why dd Nchindo mention Gobe Matenge as a possible VP whn engagin with Dingake? This ws also a tactic of identifyin th weakest link within BNf & exploit tht to break BNF. Gobe Matenge hu we are told ws close to Mogae bac thn is now ex officio CC member of BCP & is credited with recruitin Rammidi to BCP. Dr Koma couldnt ve asked for a beta VP thn SKI or th benefit of BNF....pity as much as he saw victory he couldnt see hw BNF ws inflitrated by oppotunist Dingake. 15 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe I once wrote about this on New African afta 2009 elections tryin to open a debate on BNF split and th hidden hand behind it but pple always fail to cum to th podium for this. 15 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho I was a bit reluctant to say this Koma was a tribal bigot, Kabo Diamond Moseki is true, I know some who joined BDP 4 same reasons. Magangs choice was the best 4 BNF, in fact Mogae threatened to dissolve parliament should his choice be rejected, Koma sold out. 15 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Joram Jorry Matomela How would have the Magang choice worked for the BNF@ Moncho? 15 hours ago · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe I seriously doubt, if Magang became the VP thn tht ws th end of BNF coz Magan though BDP ws for wht ws preached by th BNF yet he remained ko BDP. If Magan became the president surely BDP wouldnt be in th mess it is in today. I stil believe Dr Koma approval hd nothin to do with tribalism and his loyalty to bogosi no bt rather for th BNF. Good question thr JJ... 15 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Joram Jorry Matomela Tribal conspiracy remains more apparent than real in our polítics. If u look At the leadership of somé if oye parties u may suspect tribalism At play,though IT may be a result of other factors líke where the said partíes are dominant. 15 hours ago · Like · 2.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Magang wanted to be VP & nothing less, thats why he eventually resigned, the BNF strategy was to frustrate succession plan & force Mogae to go 4 the jugular by pitting BDP factions against each other, this Koma knew & believed, Ian Khama sprouted & KK became an accomplice. Remember this was at the height of big5/big2 factions, KK defused it & instead turned the gun on BNF head, which was also on the brink of a split.. KKs tribal bigotry is not assumed or inferred, is real 15 hours ago via mobile · Edited · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Pple should also realise tht this VP issue ws used to divert attention from neutralisin BNF and ws carefuli crafted to tht effect. I stil wonder why Mogae discussed his VP choice Dingake & Koosletse before th LOO & BNF president. Wht dd Dingake & Koosaletse discuss with Nchindo to an extend tht Nchindo is reported to ve told thm tht Mogae cn appoint Gobe Matenge to be VP coz they are close. Thr is more to this Dingake and Nchindo whch we are nt told. SKI vice precidency ws decided by BDP bt ws used to break BNF 15 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela Can we say then that Ian Khama is the best thing that happened to the BDP? That Prof Schelmmers diagnosis and prescription was on point?@Moncho 14 hours ago · Like · 2.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe A ware batho baba nen ba simolola BCP ke baba nen ba eme noken Magan Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho. Mme gone jk JJ a boditse Magans vice presidency ene ya go direla BNF molemo jan, considerin the views Magn expressed mo buken ya gagwe? 14 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Is BDP more powerful and stable unda SKI? A ke yone BDP e nen batho ba e tshaba unda Kgosi ya ga Dr Koma mo ba ilen ba sia ba itirela party ya bone? 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Kabo Diamond Moseki I have also had an opportunity to talk in more personal terms with Mogae about his ascendancy to the presidency and how for many years he was stopped from joining the lucrative private sector,in his preparation for higher office and how In came into the picture. comrades,a plan to have Ian in the state house existed before the death of Seretse and Ken Koma was one of its main architects!.KK was a great man with a terrible weakness,he could do anything for Ngwato hegemony. 14 hours ago · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Mogae did the unexpected by proposing Khama, this froze almost everybody, why did Mogae lobby Dingake & Koosaletse, Mogae & Koma ke bangwato, their interest on Khama intersected, Koma played a role in assuring Khama his support, Dingake was BNF VP, Koosaletse I think whip, Mogae need BNF numbers, Magang had them, until Koma sold out. Ga ke rialo OG, BNF split was preceded by other issues which eventually led to split, eg boycotting elections, MP flats etc The story that Gilson Saleshando, then SG was sent to deliver a letter to Khama is true, now let me be more bold, Molf is BDP 4 same reasons KK compromised 4 it, that KK like Botsalo Ntuane proposed unity government with BDP underscores his bigotry, he further on page 30 of the 2nd phase of African Revolution has now began than BNF could never rule without a communist party, KK the genius that was, aided BDP. 14 hours ago via mobile · Edited · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela What Prof Schelmmer did to the BDP and the coyntry,with benefit of hind sight, was an act of treason. Ian Khama is a disastrous failuré, a monumental liabilty for the country and a divisive factor. He will lead this country iñto chaos through his knee jerk policies. Somé of us are loosing patience every day. We no longer can guarantee What we will do in future. 14 hours ago · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Kabo Diamond Moseki cum on lets be fair to Dr Koma, he is late and there is nothin we cn benefit fro talkin about his weakness. Look at hw Koma sold his BNF to other Merafhe in BW fro Bangwaketsi to Bambukushu, he evn hd Kgosi Bathoen lead this party for political expediency. Look at hw Bakgalagadi embraced BNF, look at how Babirwa & Batswapon welcomed this party, Basubiya and Bayei also saw BNF as a party they cn identify with...do u want to tell me this ws done for Ngwato hegemony...hw reli? 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho a gao bone seabe sa BDP in BNF split wena in relation to this VP saga? Jus yr own tyk on th way things unfolded ka Nchindo, Gobe Matenge etc 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Dr. KK was a genius, an intellect but I think his so called weakness were in fact deliberate, calculated & targeted. Ontwetse BDP only capitalized on structural weakness, nothing more, this theory that anybody was bought I challenge you, Koosaletse is with BNF & Kgosipula, nobody was bought, just other issues. 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe If Dingake and Koosaletse agreed to th dummy ya ga Mogae thn iam lost...i jus hope its speculation...afta all this years Dr Koma workin hard to brin conciousness in marginalised tribes thn buy to tht bogus Mogae lie ws way too much 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela If Dr Koma was a tribal bigot as u say, and accepting your view that he would have done everything for the Ngwato hegemony, IT will follow that those who knew this fact and were against him possibly were also influenced by other tribal interésts, hence why somé argué that certain partíes are a conspiracy of so-called minorities. 14 hours ago · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela Kabo, I wouldnt cóunt much on What Mogae says because he is Self serving most of the times. He is on record saying that because he was in polítics, he could not advocate for political party funding and gay rights as they were unpopular. This shows he is a populist and changed colour depending in the amount of sunshine thát hits his skin. 14 hours ago · Like · 1.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Rre Mogae is alive & he is liberal, given a chance he can speak on this issues. JJ KK was very powerful I remember as a young boy I used to stand to him the same way I do know, if anybody dared take him, they were dead meat. BNF/Ngwato politics r intricate, interwoven & lie at the heart of prolonged. regime change. 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Koosaletse led BCP rememba & Kgosipula ws secretary general and left BCP afta they lpst elections ko Letlhakane. I ws thr ko Zowa bac thn, i ws followin BCP politics closely thn. You could see men hu felt they wr betrayed. Koosaletse refused vp position whch ws offered to him Kgosipula dd th same...its onli tht ga o bate go tsena mo go ya ga Nchindo le Gobe Matenge who are also reported to ve hd meetin le Dingake & Koosaletse. Bt th again it stil beats logic gore Mogae decided to meet BNF vp & chief whip before he met th party leader and leader of opposition. Or maybe if i may ask hw close wr Mogae & Dr Koma? 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela What can we say about the BCP founders, looking At the demographics,will ir be far-fetched to say At the root of the party Stand firmly unwritten and unauthorised tribal interésts of tribes that feel marginálised Up north? 14 hours ago · Like · 1.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Mogae was a dark horse, his claim to political fame was without foundation, like JJ says he is trustworthy, he used everybody he could to survive, as an intellectual, he has little respect to Khama, thats why recently he jabbed him that poverty cannot be eradicated, his survival was on chess moves. He is unreliable & somewhat fictitious & tricky, but can speak the truth occasionally. Koosaletse was bitter n left BCP, so extract the truth from him, I bet his truth is mine. 14 hours ago via mobile · Edited · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho correct me or tell me gore nnyaa mmotlana tht is a far fetched idea...kana wh BNF made 13 seats SA ws new to democracy led by ANC whch ws pro socialist. Zim also hd socialism sentiments as well as Namibia whch ws also relativili new afta their independence ka 1990. Emprialism was on th march and internationalism ws th order of th day. With pro socialist BNF on th verge of topplin BDP & suroundd by pro socialists ANC, SWAPo & ZANUPF the West hd to act and neutralise BNF. Debeers money ws used to buy off th weakest link within th BNF to split it by so doin neutralisin Socialist dream. Dr Koma ws a graduate fro USSR rememba and Mogae played his game well by turnin his cdes against him on th issue ya VP. We cnt also deny hw Nchindo with his Debeers money played his part hr... 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Kabo Diamond Moseki This whole thing can be a subject of a multi volume book.I am glad that you brought this up JJ.I think the 98 split of the BNF can also be investigated I suspect the influence of the Western powers and De beers 14 hours ago · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Fair on Mogae yet Dingake and Koosaletse believed th man u described hr 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Kabo Diamond Moseki le nna ke hoo ive always said nna ke bona Western powers and Debeers its a pity pple are refusin to let this out. My feelin is Dr Koma is jus used as a scape goat. Lookin at the way this man worked to sell th idea tht is BNF its difficult to believe gore he wz tribal bigot. NO! 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela It is said that upon their return from a Nchindo sponsored trip in India, somé in the leadership of the BNF changed positions on the partys diamond benéficiation stance, widening the rift btw the factions then existing. 14 hours ago · Like · 1.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Ga ke sa fose maina laga Gilson and Otladisa hu went on and became presidents of BCP are mentioned hr. Ke sone seke nen ke botsa gore Magangs vice presidency e kabo e bereketse BNF jan? 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Ten foo leina la ga Dr Koma gale amege. He ws isolated and the enermy hd picked those they cn used to effect their mission to destroy th socialist BNF! 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho BNF was about to win, as Ontwetse rightly posits, the issue of beneficiation was thorn in BDP flesh, DeBeers & west invested on Schlemer. The DeBeers sponsored tour was to make BNF appreciate the practical challenges. True, ANC in fact sponsored BNF, material support that I was privy to, the biggest undoing was the 98 split which should have been avoided but wasnt. Dabutha was equally tribalistic, it was inconceivable to have Dabs, Kavindama against KK. Magang Ontwetse was or felt entitled, hence BNF supporting him against his pal, Mogae to cause friction. 14 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Which means BNF ddnt want Magang, th intention ws to cause friction...bt they knew th decision ws BDPs nt theirs. Kana jan Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho? 13 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Re buile comrades, we need vetting, most of the people mentioned are still alive & may assist. Yes BNF was exploiting big5/2 axis, not that Magang was any better. Koma said he succumbed coz Mogae promised party funding, it never materialized 13 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho It is unfortunate BNF split over these tendencies, the conspiracies only serve to drive a wedge between BCP/BNF, though KK may have faltered, he remains pivotal & the sooner this chapter is closed the better 13 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela Gilson Saleshando and his rean were also hungry for Power. You will recall that during the split, he was At somé point installed a caretaker president by his faction,though they subsequently lost. After the BCP was formed,it was funny that he temporarily hybernated his presidential ambitions as Michael Dingake led. In his old age,he re-emerged and assumed the presidency after Koosaletse,oñly to handover to his son in his retirement. Gilsons character can make a good book. Upon his return to parliament for the second time, he has béen as good as retired as he is unusually uninterested and quiet,much to the disappointment of his followers. My take is that he has achieved What he long craved whilst battling the BNF. His oñly unfinished or unaccomplished mission is the destruction of the BNF. 13 hours ago · Like · 1.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Flawed analysis comrade JJ, corrupted 13 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Waitse nna se se nkutlwisan bohloko ke gore we wr denied regime change by listenin to an enemy listenin to Mogae lyin about Dr Koma and tht lie is echoed ova & ova again gotwe Dr Koma ws a tribal bigot smthin whch is contrary to hw Dr koma denied himself some academic luxury of bein a professor writin book bt rather decided to invest in empowerin th marginalised tribes of BW includin those unda Bangwato lyk Batswapon, Babirwa includin Bakgalagadi, Basarwa, Basubiya, Bayei, Bambukushu & other. BCP strength today & its success is mostli due to Dr Komas hard work and denyin himself menate e barutegi babangwe ba nan le yone. Its sad tht le wena Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho u are sold to this lie tht Dr Koma is tribalistic. I stil nid to be convienced gore Dr Koma is tribal bigot. 13 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Its hard to believe especially when 1 has preconceived beliefs, my pain is in what continue to divide us further, it must be toxic & contagious 13 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe Mme kana Dr Koma ke ene o nen a ka re tshwaraganya tht is wht is lackin...failin to honour & appreciate Dr Koma though we all ridin and enjoyin th fruis of his slog! 13 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1.. Comrade Monang It is as I analysed it in TJ Osupile s status last week. Koma made an informed advice. 2 hours ago · Edited · Like.. Ontwetse Gaotsenelelwe One oren Monan, cn we get tht analysis hr 2 hours ago via mobile · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho There is no doubt Ian Khama changed political landscape of BW dramatically. The question becomes what would have happened had another taken over instead, say Magang, would BDP have gotten stronger or weaker. BDP factions, big 5 vs Big 2 were bracing 4 a show down. By appointing Khama, Mogae defused tension as he had put a man BDP members revered, though frustrated, the 2 factions wilted & recoiled 4 fear of rebelling against a man BDP was anchored on his fathers legacy, this was per Schlemers DeBeers sponsored recommendations. This happened at a time when BNF was poised to win elections after its historic 94 performance, when the air was pregnant with regime change euphoria. On the other hand BNF had tendencies that threatened it, the old guard, comprising veterans including Ok Menyatso, Giddie, Ontumetse, Klaas were displeased with party being derailed by newcomers, namely Michael Dingake. KK unexpected change from supporting Magang as agreed, stoked heightened tensions within the party, I fail to appreciate how KK could have acted in the best interest of BNF, KK more than any other, knew the effect of chief Khamas ascendence to presidency, with benefit of hindsight we now know that impact. To justify that because BDP is about to implode courtesy of Khama, is disingenuous, reactionary & outright cultist. about an hour ago via mobile · Edited · Like.. Joram Jorry Matomela It is a given that the BDP was paralysed by factions then. But possibly compared to Magang, Khama was a slow poison. Magang compared to Khama was familiar with BDP politics and he at least had democratic pretensions. On the contrary, Khama is a tyrant who suppresses dissent. What is more destructive, suppression of internal democratic processes or embracing democracy? I doubt that had Magang taken over, the BDP split that resulted in BMD could have happened. The split, as we know, was the brainchild of Khamas leadership style. about an hour ago · Like.. Moncho Kebonyethebe Moncho Magangs liberal credentials are as overrated as those of Kedikilwe, he claims to have been a champion of beneficiation when as minister of mineral resources he doesnt account 4 his failure to do what he needed to be done. His ascension would possibly have polarized BDP even more given factionalism at the time, doing so with BNF support could even undermine his allegiance to BDP & illicit some concession to democratic reforms, show cause why the genius KK could be so speculative & reckless as to chose BDP to regroup & fortify than implode then, when there were flashlights. In other words Koma and no other became a victim of DeBeers dirty money, he acquiesced by reneged on a strategy that was conceived by his own & sold to the enemy. Perhaps a tribal bigot is too strong but KK had tribalistic inclinations & tendencies that worked against & undermined his progressive agenda to depose BDP, its hard to swallow, but true, Komas serial litany of error of judgement was in fact a strategy not to remove BDP, may be, just may be as much as Ian Khama was an apparent heir to the BDP throne & Masire held fort, it may as well be that KK was a decoy, another strategy hatched possibly by Sir Seretse Khama, which again, underscores tribalism thesis. about an hour ago via mobile · Edited · Like..
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