This is going to be another long post dedicated to Abdullahi Nagya and his question on another feed. I just wanted to take the time to explain my contribute to this group as a intellectual debater. It took me years before I committed to being or even thinking about being here as a admin. I am honoured to bring truth and what i know to be factual to the muslim public to lead them to Christ. I took a long time to decide to go this route those who knew me along the way I am a Jewish apologist and Christian apologist in Jewish forums of law and debate. I came here to share law because so many muslims are actually ignorant about the book in which they say is corrupt. While wanting to adopt the laws and use them to defend their koran. Very corrupt actions for a person that points. Along this journey here I had a friend who continually ask me to come and help Christians answer muslims strange and repetitive questions, that their imama give them in their conversion packets and debate questions and answers. I felt that I wasnt qualified to have answers for their misconstrued ideas. Because those who dont want to listen only listen to truth will listen to lies. As God has shown us here. That I would not have the patience to answer with love and mercy as God does. I found a compassion for muslims not only because i grew up with them and love them like my family and who are very dear to me, but because I felt they would not listen because of tradition. I love what God has done in my life to bring me where i do not deserve to be with the patience to do so though in this seven years have been asked this question below a million times. But can answer with all knowledge and truth by looking through a Christ shaped glasses its clear what doesnt fit within the rims. I want to point out to you all here NOT making a spectacle of this person but make one of islam... showing how islam makes a spectacle of you. I will now let you muslims answer.... Abdullahi Nagya he wrote:[[So where did Jesus said-I am a christian]] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will give you a few options for answers but feel free to add what you think is the answer here. To keep this question in the debate forum is actually down dumbing islam. But its extremely important to address if mohammed wrote about Jesus was he a follower of Jesus here we will find out. Did mohammed shadow or walk look anything like Gods shadow or Jesus walk? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ a couple of definitions before we read scritpures of bible... *IMAGE=im·age ˈimij/ noun noun: image; plural noun: images 1. a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. synonyms: likeness, resemblance; depiction, portrayal, representation; statue, statuette, sculpture, bust, effigy; painting, picture, portrait, drawing, sketch *SHADOW=shad·ow ˈSHadō/ noun noun: shadow; plural noun: shadows 1. a dark area or shape produced by a body coming between rays of light and a surface. trees cast long shadows synonyms: silhouette, outline, shape, contour, profile he saw her shadow in the doorway a couple of koranic searches... for you to research the two definitions of words involved. quran/search?q=image quran/search?q=shadow =======================================================Bible scripture: Genesis 1:26Then God said, Let Us make man in Our IMAGE, ACCORDING TO OUR LIKENESS; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 27GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD HE CREATED HIM; male and female He created them.… Genesis 9: 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every mans brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth mans blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the IMAGE OF GOD made he man. Colossians 2:16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- 17things which are a mere SHADOW of what is to come; BUT THE SUBSTANCE BELONGS TO CHRIST. 18LET NO ONE KEEP DEFRAUDING YOU OF YOUR PRIZE by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,… Hebrews 10:1For the Law, since it has only a SHADOW OF THE GOOD THINGS TO COME and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?… 2 Corinthians 12:9 Weymouth New Testament but His reply has been, My grace suffices for you, for power matures in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I boast of my infirmities rather than complain of them--in order that Christs power may OVERSHADOW ME. Psalms 91:1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High Will abide in the SHADOW OF THE ALMIGHTY. Isaiah 49:2 He has made My mouth like a sharp sword, In the SHADOW OF HIS HAND He has concealed Me; And He has also made Me a select arrow, He has hidden Me in His quiver. Isaiah 51:16 I have put My words in your mouth and have covered you with the SHADOW OF MY HAND, to establish the heavens, to found the earth, and to say to Zion, You are My people. Psalms 36:7 How precious is Your lovingkindness, O God! And the children of men take refuge in the SHADOW of Your wings. Mark 9:7 Then a cloud formed, OVERSHADOWING them, and a voice came out of the cloud, This is My beloved Son, listen to Him! Luke 9:34 While he was saying this, a cloud formed and began to OVERSHADOW them; and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud OVERSHADOWED them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; LISTEN TO HIM! Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will OVERSHADOW you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. Hebrews 9:5 and above it were the cherubim of glory OVERSHADOWING the mercy seat; but of these things we cannot now speak in detail. Psalms 121:5 The LORD is your keeper; The LORD is your SHADE on your right hand. Isaiah 25:4 For You have been a defense for the helpless, A defense for the needy in his distress, A refuge from the storm, a SHADE from the heat; For the breath of the ruthless Is like a rain storm against a wall. James 1:17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting SHADOW. kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Shadow/ bible.knowing-jesus/topics/Shadows kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Image/ ====================================================== koran Surat Al-Furqān (The Criterian) - سورة الفرقان 25:45 Sahih International Have you not considered your Lord - how He extends the shadow, and if He willed, He could have made it stationary? Then We made the sun for it an indication. The Book of the Prayer Chapter: The Time Of The Asr Prayer (5) باب وَقْتِ صَلاَةِ الْعَصْرِ It was narrated that Aishah said: The Prophet prayed the Asr when the sun was shining into my room and there were no shadows yet. كتاب الصلاة 2 The Book on Salat (Prayer) Chapter: : What Has Been Related About Hastening Asr Prayer (6) باب مَا جَاءَ فِي تَعْجِيلِ الْعَصْرِ Urwah narrated from Aishah: Allahs Messenger prayed Asr while the sun was (shining) in her chamber, (and) no shadow appeared in her chamber. حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّهَا قَالَتْ صَلَّى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْعَصْرَ وَالشَّمْسُ فِي حُجْرَتِهَا لَمْ يَظْهَرِ الْفَىْءُ مِنْ حُجْرَتِهَا . قَالَ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ أَنَسٍ وَأَبِي أَرْوَى وَجَابِرٍ وَرَافِعِ بْنِ خَدِيجٍ . قَالَ وَيُرْوَى عَنْ رَافِعٍ أَيْضًا عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي تَأْخِيرِ الْعَصْرِ وَلاَ يَصِحُّ . قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى حَدِيثُ عَائِشَةَ حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ . وَهُوَ الَّذِي اخْتَارَهُ بَعْضُ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِنْهُمْ عُمَرُ وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ وَعَائِشَةُ وَأَنَسٌ وَغَيْرُ وَاحِدٍ مِنَ التَّابِعِينَ تَعْجِيلُ صَلاَةِ الْعَصْرِ وَكَرِهُوا تَأْخِيرَهَا . وَبِهِ يَقُولُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الْمُبَارَكِ وَالشَّافِعِيُّ وَأَحْمَدُ وَإِسْحَاقُ . Narrated An-Nawwas bin Saman: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Quran shall come, and its people who acted according to it in the world. Surat Al-Baqarah and Al Imran shall be in front of it. An-Nawwas said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) stated three parables about them which I have not since forgotten, he said: They will come as if they are two shades between which there is illumination, or as if they are two shady clouds, or as if they are shadows of lines of birds arguing on behalf of their people. sunnah/search/?q=shadow ======================================================= conflicting verses with Bible scripture: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. John 20 Jesus arose and Jesus breathed into the disciples 48/113 It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: WHO EVER MAKES AN IMAGE WILL BE COMMANDED ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION TO BREATHE THE SOUL INTO IT BUT HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO. surrat 3:49 Sahih International And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. sunnah/search/?q=image ======================================================= number one answer: Jesus is the Christ/Messiah/the One/ the Creator of bird from clay. A shadow is image of that which already has form. Which follows that which is already with form. The muslims bring a question to the table.... Abdullahi Nagya he wrote:[[So where did Jesus said-I am a christian]]. Christians answer with where did Christians ever say He was a follower of Christ and show us where Jesus claimed to be a follower of Christ! Is Jesus who is the Christ a Christ follower? or is those who you are asking this question to followers of the Christ. Ironically your koran includes a character in which... does not deny there is a Christ. In fact insures Jesus can create So here is the question.... How can a Christ be a Christian can Christ follow Himself? When its only mere shadows that follow form. Abdullahi Nagya from me to you.... I want to know the same question. So ask your imama for me Where did Jesus said-I am a Christian. And I will show you where it says for you to be a Christ follower... Mark 1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men. Matthew 4:19,20 And he said to them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men… Matthew 16: 24Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. Luke 9: 23 And He was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. Zechariah 8:23 Thus says the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of every language of the nations, even shall take hold of the robe of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
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