Here is the thread that Joel Kramer removed when I proved him incorrect. If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. He is a personal friend of Ken Howards and I believe is too close to him to have an unbiased opinion. Joel J Kramer And Dino as you asked did SAG gained or lost.. GAINED my friend. Look around many others in their other chosen fields have had to take smaller salaries or stay level where they are to stay working. We as SAG members are very very lucky to have our gains... 8.7 wage increase is huge my friend. 7 hrs · Like · 1 Tim Davison Damn Joel, Ive been trying to figure out how to say it as well as you just did! 7 hrs · Like · 5 Elisabeth Carpenter Thank you Joel, that was eloquently written and very informative! 6 hrs · Like Stacey Lynn Howell Brown Thanks for the eye opener Joel J Kramer 5 hrs · Like · 1 Gregory J. Barnett Thanks Buddy! 4 hrs · Like · 1 Philip Tan Vote Yes !!! 4 hrs · Like · 1 Eurlyne Epper-Woldman Sorry complety disagree..Thats That!!!! NO 4 hrs · Unlike · 1 Joel Munoz I am with $9 yes.. 4 hrs · Like Joel Munoz I am with Joel J Kramer YEES 4 hrs · Like GiantAsian Myles Thank you for presenting a thorough description of the yes side. Ive only been hearing the other. 1 hr · Like Peter Antico LOL everyone who wants a job agrees with this missive and no one can rebut what myself and Jane Austin have posted on this thread. Ken Howard publicly said the deal was inadequate with the exception of Tim Davidson who cant rebut the fact that we have much less power as the merger has destroyed our bargaining power and damaged our balance sheet. The news presenters, musicians, radio personalities and hosts all can vote on this contract and THEY ARE NOT AFFECTED BY IT MONETARILY. THEY HAVE NOTHING AT STAKE IN THIS DEAL JOEL IS CORRECT THE TEAM CAME CLOSE TO ASKING FOR A STRIKE AUTHORIZATION HOWEVER THE STUNT COMMUNITY GOT LEFT OUT OF THE DEAL. COMPLETELY SO CAN CAN ANY STUNT PLAYER VOTE THIS UP? WE GOT NO INCREASES IN 16 YEARS ON THE CRAP DVD DEAL AND THE APATHETIC MEMBERSHIP SAID THE SAME THING...OH WELL WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE THE PRODUCERS QUADRUPLED THE DVD PROFITS AND WE GOT NOTHING. THOSE THAT REFUSE TO STUDY HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. ALL OF THE STUNT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND THE STUNT DELEGATES HAVE RECOMMENDED A NO VOTE. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING. THIS DEAL DOES NOT AFFECT JOELS, TIMS OR MY PENSION AND WE ARE FORTUNATE TO BE VESTED NICELY HOWEVER IF AFFECTS EVERYONE WHO COMES AFTER US. Read all of the material and vote wisely. Dont listen to Joel or me as this is not a popularity contest it is YOUR FUTURE. Read study, get educated; read below 53 mins · Like Peter Antico The Stunt Community got NOTHING in this contract negotiation so if any stunt performer votes this contract up you have to ask why they are satisfied with NOTHING. We got NONE of our issues addressed. No residuals for TV coordinators, 75 dollar travel day was not addressed, 500 mile jurisdictional issue in the south was not addressed. Stunt player nor coordinators got one penny of a raise in their contract minimums and our residuals are under-reported. The residual issue for riggers was not addressed. So you tell me how can anyone who call themselves a stunt performer vote this inadequate deal up? My pal Joel says its for the good in the long run...I respectfully disagree. He states we got a whopping 30 million more in this deal than in 2011? Really? Not when you factor the real rate of inflation. In addition when the President of CBS earns 210 million over three years and the entire value of the SAG AFTRA deal is 200 million between 165,000 members....this deal is grossly inadequate. If the entertainment business can afford to pay ONE CEO more than the entire membership body of SAG AFTRA they can easily afford to compensate us fairly. If I factor in the next 5 highest paid media CEOs our deal is embarrassing. Read below: When the SAG AFTRA negotiating team boasts that they got 30 million dollars more than the 2011 contract you must break the numbers down intelligently by factoring in the real rate of inflation on the 200 million. Ill use the governments outdated 2% figures to be considerate to the members that believe everything the government tells them and remember that Moodys and the S &P (bankable rating agencys) gave mortgage backed securities a triple A rating just months before they collapsed. 2% of 200 million is 4 million dollars per year. 4 million dollars multiplied by 3 years is 12 million dollars. Subtract the 12 million of inflated dollars from the 30 million dollar gain boasted by SAG AFTRA and the deal being offered is only worth 18 million more than in 2011. Many major economists, including Peter Schiff, Eric Sprott (Sprott Asset Mgt) and World famous Dow theorist Richard Russell believe as I do that the Governments consumer price index (CPI) is drastically manipulated. If the Government used the true metric of 30 years ago that included food and energy the real rate of inflation would be over 5%. If you factor in 5% on this 200 million dollar contract, year on year, over our three contract years the figure is 10 million per year and 30 million over three years. If this metric is correct and I believe it is,( if it errs its on the low side), this contract is worth nothing. Do you see why we must think dimensionally and be educated enough to read between the lines? Send the negotiating team back to the bargaining table and restore respect for our profession. Management is making billions and its only fair we achieve a more equitable deal. Vote NO. 52 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Pete, save your gas, as you know you even agreed with KEN AFTER THEY EXPLAINED IT TO YOU IN A MEETING, YOU SAID OH, NOW I UNDERSTAND! NOW THAT YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO ME! Funny, if you were on the producing side of the table youd be tighter than a frogs water tight ass when it comes to passing the dollars out. This will pass as it should with flying colors as you well know my friend. Dont understand anyone voting no in this day and age with our economy the way its severly unbalanced. 48 mins · Like Peter Antico What I said I agreed with was; the fact that even though the pension amounts are split 57% and 43% the pension contributions remain at 100% individually. That is good. I thought the pension contributions would be split and instead of 100% going in my my plan I would only get 57%. That was not explained clearly in the new contract. 41 mins · Like Joel J Kramer So you agree, great!!! 40 mins · Like Peter Antico If you vote no in this economy the shareholders value of their stock in major entertainment companies will diminish..They will force management to make a deal. Joel read the economics above. The economics of this deal and our country are a mess. 39 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Pete Your take is yours so you will vote how you choose I do not agree with you on this one. Last time you and I got into this is when you and membership first stalled the negoatiations when Allen Douchebag was president, that cost us all tens of millions of dollars remember that fopar? we had to live on a past contract for what over a year, we all lost because of the nay sayers who new better. Thank god Rosenberg was ousted and Ken Howard was voted in!!!! 35 mins · Like Peter Antico I agreed with ONE POINT and the other side of the coin that their not publicizing is if you only worked SAG your entire career and you book an AFTRA series you start a new pension at ground zero and that is severely damaging to the pension you are vested in as AFTRAs deal is vastly inferior compared to SAGs. See below:. 33 mins · Like Peter Antico Subject: AFTRA Individual Health Plan annual premium (family of 4): $17,260. PASS THIS ON Repost everywhere! AFTRA Individual Health Plan annual premium (family of 4): $17,260. PENSION & HEALTH SAG relied upon a ‘Feasibility Review’. All it concluded is that a merger would be LEGAL. No one ever doubted Mergers are legal. What about our benefits? SAG did not request any study regarding whether a merger would be FINANCIALLY safe. Why? They know, like the AFTRA Trustees, that “the merger of pension and health funds as large and divergent as the AFTRA and SAG plans raises complex and unique financial, legal and benefit issues which can only be addressed through a comprehensive analysis performed by the funds.” Despite a SAG Constitutional requirement, no such financial study was recommended or done. Are your benefits safe? The SAG and AFTRA P&H&R Plans are extremely different. Consider merging these factors: • SAG pension accrual rate: 2% of earnings: AFTRA: less than 1% of earnings • SAG early retirement penalty: 3% per year. AFTRA is DOUBLE that at 6% per year. • SAG Health Plan II annual plan premium (family of 4):$1,620 . AFTRA Individual Health Plan annual premium (family of 4): $17,260. The merger plan does not even attempt to reconcile these and other differences.Experts addressing the financial impact issues are convinced SAG members will likely suffer diminished future benefits. Highly respected pension and health experts Brucker & Morra have concluded: “Until a full and formal ERISA Impact Report of how to address and quantify these problems is completed, no one, not even pension experts, can intelligently evaluate or quantify the probable negative impact on the members’ pension and health benefits. The union merger is so inextricably interconnected with the plan merger that members cannot be asked to evaluate and vote on the Union Merger until issues relating to the Plan Merger have been resolved and concrete proposals formulated so the members can make informed choices.” The issue has always been the impact on SAG member benefits, when merged with lower AFTRA benefits. If the merger is approved, members will never again have any right to vote to protect their pension benefits. If you are concerned about your benefits, this will be your only vote. If you vote to merge the unions, you are giving permission to later merge the plans. At that time, you will have no voice, no vote and no recourse regarding future benefit reductions. SPLIT EARNINGS The merger Plan does not even address, much less solve our split earnings issues. Rather, it will codify the problem. If merger is approved, the stated plan is to CONTINUE to split your earnings, just like during the last 12 months. If the proposed merger is approved, you will have no further right to vote on this issue either. 33 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Pete, give it a rest, as you know this is going to pass and we move forward and get more the next round and the next and the next. You know how this works. I get your frustration my friend, but its only going to hurt us all. 31 mins · Like Peter Antico Howard destroyed our Union as evidenced by the financial statement before and after the merger. Rosenberg was 10 times the president. Howard cost us 500 million in revenue in move over from network to a crap new media contract, he also walked away from a promised strike vote and refused to back Rosenberg in a jurisdiction claim when Aftra poached our jurisdiction and CAUSED the split contribution problem. He also did not disclose the almost insolvent financial position of Aftra before the merger vote. If that info was disclosed the merger may have been defeated. 28 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Pete your delusional to that fact of Rosenberg being trustworthy good President. Rosenberg had his own agendas and SAG was not his top priority!!! You and I discussed this 2.5 years ago and you agreed with me!! Come on stop your boisterious bullshit. 25 mins · Like Peter Antico https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/.../10487201... fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net 22 mins · Like · Remove Preview Peter Antico lol 22 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Folks please do not be mislead by Petes rant here. Emotion and anger do not mix well with high stakes business. Most by the way refused to back Rosenberg Pete. He almost ran our guild into the ground! 22 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Keep it clean Pete or your off this post. 21 mins · Like Peter Antico most were misinformed as Rosenberg had a gag order put on him that kept him from telling members the truth. 21 mins · Like Peter Antico Joel comment on the economic missive regarding the contract above. It proves you wrong. 20 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa...... 20 mins · Like Joel J Kramer You like always being on the loosing side Pete? must get old my friend must get old.... 19 mins · Like Peter Antico that was educated and you demonstrate you can not rebut it 19 mins · Like Peter Antico Show the stunt people that you have the knowledge to back your claims. Rebut the economic missive 18 mins · Like Peter Antico This proves Howard and his group mislead the membership. Rebut it and show the membership that they should listen to you. hollywoodreporter/.../audit-reveals-pre... Audit Reveals Pre-Merger AFTRA Was Plagued With Financial Issues (Exclusive) - Hollywood Reporter hollywoodreporter Before AFTRA merged with SAG, thousands of non-paying members clogged the union’s books and boxes and boxes” of stale residuals checks ha... 15 mins · Like · Remove Preview Joel J Kramer Old news Pete.... your picking nits here. 12 mins · Like Joel J Kramer Old News.... Yawn 11 mins · Like Peter Antico thats your rebuttal? Yawn? intelligent and compelling. The above news not many members know about and it unequivocally proves Howard was not looking out for the best interests of the SAG members which was his duty. You can see Joel has nothing to say as this proves him 100% wrong. How can you trust anyone who does not disclose all the facts needed to make and informed intelligent decision? Hey Jeol I have some stock for you to buy only Im not telling you its on the verge of bankruptcy...Is that acceptable to you? We were mislead by Howard and UFS and his team cant be trusted. Unable to post comment. · Edited · Like Peter Antico fgfgf Unable to post comment. Try Again Peter Antico thats your rebuttal? Yawn? intelligent and compelling. The above news not many members know about and it unequivocally proves Howard was not looking out for the best interests of the SAG members which was his duty. You can see Joel has nothing to say as this proves him 100% wrong. How can you trust anyone who does not disclose all the facts needed to make and informed intelligent decision? Hey Jeol I have some stock for you to buy only Im not telling you its on the verge of bankruptcy...Is that acceptable to you? We were mislead by Howard and UFS and his team cant be trusted. Unable to post comment. Try Again
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