I am debating a KJV only 1611 proponent on Calvinism. His words are in quotes, my words are not. Thoughts are welcome. This is only a section of the debate, but notice that he focuses on attacking John Calvin, as if he is needed to support reformed theology. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no sin imputed to a baby, or a child before they reach the age of accountability when they know the difference between good and evil (Deut. 1:39). There are verses that are used to make the case that babies go to heaven. John MacArthur is one such person that wrote an article on that very topic. There certainly are verses that indicate that it is possible that babies go to heaven, but this has nothing to do with whether or not reformed theology is taught in scripture. However, scripture gives no definitive answer to this question. God would be unjust and immoral for sending them to hell. In II Samuel 12:23 when David said he would go to his deceased baby, he was not talking about going to hell. I agree that this verse points to the possibility that babies go to heaven, but this has nothing to do with reformed theology. For the sake of argument, as a Christian, how could it be possible for you to view God as immoral? I am certain that when you debate an atheist, you would argue that they have no standard for moral values. If this is the case, then how can you call God evil, if it is God that is the standard of righteousness?(Romans 9:19-20) The only way you can be consistent with such an assertion is if you are your own ultimate standard instead of God or scripture. The evidence of Calvins intentions can be seen by reading the mans life works and testimony. I say this in reference to Jasons first response. The fact is that Calvin was prone to murder people that disagreed with him. But since it was predestined maybe he blamed his murderous acts on God. I dont know why all of you are going off and attacking John Calvin. He is not my favorite theologian, the reason why I identify with reformed theology is because scripture clearly teaches it. You want to try to condemn Calvin? I couldnt care less. You then try to take a swipe at Gods sovereignty. God is not a weak God, he is not a God that lost control of this universe. God is a God that is mighty in power and has control over every aspect of reality as we know it. (Isaiah 14:24, Lamentations 3:37-38, etc.) Do you think its a coincidence that we are speaking? It is not, for God has control over all things. The main problem doctrinally with Calvinism through and through is the taking of doctrines and enforcing them on the entire text of the Holy Bible. This is called private interpretation which the Bible is against. A Bible-believer sees quickly that every time God uses the word salvation, baptism, etc he is not necessarily talking about the same thing. Study, 2 Tim 2:15, proves right divisions and safeguards the child of God from seeing scripture through the lens of any denomination or teacher. These are a string of prejudicial and conjectural assertions. I prefer arguing with scripture, rather than making false and unfounded assertions and accusations towards others. You say that I should study The Bible, but I say that you should take your own advice.(Matthew 7:1-5) You argue that my interpretation is a private interpretation. If you can accuse me of such without support for your contention, then I certainly could argue that your interpretation is nothing more than a personal interpretation. However, such antics would get us nowhere. Matters of conflict regarding doctrine can only be solved one way, and that is with scripture.(2 Timothy 3:16-17) Calvinism is not consistent with ALL of Gods counsel. It doesnt work unless you accept the doctrines by faith ABOVE the scripture and then continually ENFORCE the beliefs upon the scripture. These are assertions that have not been supported with scripture. I am arguing that it is consistent with Gods Word and perfect counsel. I am also arguing that you are holding yourself above God and his Word as a standard, for you are prideful enough to even dare to hypothesize that God is evil given a certain state of affairs. It is done like Catholicism, Mormonism, or any other CULT. The Bible has to at the very least take second chair for the system to work. If you are going to accuse me of being a part of a cult, you better have more than your overly elevated and self-righteous opinion to support it.
Posted on: Sat, 17 May 2014 01:20:14 +0000
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