On TV, Hong Kong Openly Debates Democracy By MICHAEL FORSYTHE and ALAN WONG, 紐約時報 International New York Times, 2014.10.21 HONG KONG — After weeks of protests that have shaken this financial hub of 7.2 million people, residents thought they had seen it all. Then, on Tuesday night, something even more extraordinary happened, on live television: a polite debate between earnest students wearing black “Freedom Now” T-shirts and top Hong Kong leaders over the future of democracy. Five student leaders, hair disheveled, took on the officials, who were old enough to be their parents, in the frank discourse. They spoke Cantonese, the prevailing local Chinese dialect, with simultaneous translations into English and sign language. The students wanted officials to commit to greater liberties in future elections. “What is the next step?” Alex Chow, 24, the secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, asked Hong Kong’s No. 2 official, Carrie Lam, 57. 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Credit Nicolas Asfouri/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images It was a remarkably civil and scholarly discussion, all the more so given the generational divide between the sides. Each cited articles of Hong Kong’s Constitution, chapter and verse, to back its points. Even more remarkable was that it was happening in Hong Kong, the former British colony only a few miles from mainland China, where such a freewheeling public political discussion had not been heard in at least a quarter-century, since students occupied Tiananmen Square in Beijing. That protest provoked a bloody crackdown that has reverberated through China ever since. At issue in Hong Kong was how voters would choose its top leader, the chief executive, in elections planned for 2017. For the first time, all five million eligible voters may cast ballots. But China’s Communist Party-controlled legislature, which has the final say on how Hong Kong changes its Constitution, restricted the way people can win a spot on the ballot, a decision that democracy advocates say effectively excludes those who offend Beijing. That sent people into the streets in late September, and they have been there ever since, erecting colorful tent cities on some of Hong Kong’s busiest avenues. Yet on Tuesday night, both sides, the government and the students who have been the driving force behind the protests, said they wanted to move forward. Mrs. Lam told the students that the government was willing to submit a new report to Beijing acknowledging the surge of discontent that followed the Aug. 31 decision by China’s National People’s Congress on the election guidelines. In what appeared to be a further conciliatory signal, she also said the rules could change in subsequent elections. The students stuck with their demands for immediate changes to Hong Kong’s election law. They want the 2017 elections for the chief executive to be open to a wide range of candidates. But Mrs. Lam’s offer did stir some interest. The Hong Kong chief secretary, Carrie Lam, and the secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, Alex Chow Yong Kang, held talks on Tuesday to end pro-democracy protests. Publish Date October 21, 2014. Photo by Kin Cheung/Associated Press. “Do you have a time frame?” Mr. Chow asked. “Do you have a road map to see in which direction our constitutional development is going?” Continue reading the main storyContinue reading the main storyContinue reading the main story Hong Kong’s government is seeking a way to defuse its biggest political crisis since China reclaimed sovereignty in 1997 after more than 150 years of British rule. For more than three weeks, the area around the government headquarters in the city center and two busy shopping districts have been commandeered by thousands of protesters. They have clashed with police officers trying to clear imaginative barricades constructed of any material at hand, including bamboo poles and garbage cans. What may have amounted only to small demonstrations mushroomed into a broad movement when the police used tear gas and pepper spray in an attempt to break up the protests on Sept. 28, with demonstrators using umbrellas to shield themselves. The students feel that Hong Kong’s government gave Beijing a misleading report on the political mood here that influenced the way the legislature wrote the guidelines. Mrs. Lam rejected that accusation and said that the students should accept that opening the election to all of Hong Kong’s eligible voters is a significant advance. “I don’t know why you don’t consider that important progress in our quest for democracy,” she said. The students who have led the sit-in protests, now known as the Umbrella Movement, had demanded talks with the government. The government canceled talks set to take place on Oct. 10. The students and other protesters want a more open nomination process as well as the abolition of so-called functional constituencies, which are industry, professional and social groups that are represented in Hong Kong’s legislature and in the committee that currently picks the chief executive. Map: Areas of Skirmishes and Protests in Hong Kong The government has rejected or ignored all of the students’ demands, except for their request to talk. Hong Kong’s chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, made clear on Monday that the government would only listen to what the students had to say and explain to them how Hong Kong’s political process works. The territory has a great deal of autonomy from Beijing, and its people enjoy a broad range of civil liberties that mainland Chinese lack, including freedom of speech and assembly. “It is not a negotiation,” Mr. Leung said. “We have deliberately said it is a dialogue. We are all ears, and obviously we are dutybound to explain to the students and through the media the constitutional arrangements for us to have universal suffrage in Hong Kong.” Mr. Leung is a focus of the students’ anger, and they reminded the government officials, on at least two occasions during the debate, of comments he made on Monday about how full democracy would mean “a numbers game” that would force the government to skew “politics and policies” toward poor people. “Is he going to be serving the tycoons and the business sector?” Mr. Chow asked. “Is this system democratic? Is it free?” In public appearances after the debate, both sides played down expectations. Mrs. Lam told reporters that “we can only agree to disagree.” And Yvonne Leung, one of the student debaters, told supporters at the main protest site that the government “didn’t give us a material response or direction.” “We’re disappointed,” Ms. Leung said, “and we must continue to stay here.” Despite the animosity, students and other protesters, watching the debate on large projection screens at the main protest site near the government headquarters, were happy that the government was at least willing to talk. “This is the first time the government has spoken with protesters on an equal level,” said Teddy Yeung, a computer engineering student wearing a red bandanna. “That’s already a step forward for us.” Chris Buckley, Hilda Wang and Siobhan Downes contributed reporting. A version of this article appears in print on October 22, 2014, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: On TV, Hong Kong Openly Debates Democracy. 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