Posted for your reading pleasure - LOTUS MIND A Kris International Session Channeled by Serge J Grandbois Transcribed by Roberta Tigerfuentes Recorded Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 2014 in Toronto, Canada ROLL CALL: Chuck, Roberta, Serge (7:59 PM) KRIS: Now we trust that you are comfortable. CHUCK: We are, Kris. KRIS: And we thank you for your consideration, you and the army of one. CHUCK: [Laughing] Absolutely! KRIS: And would you be so kind as to provide the date/time thingamajig. CHUCK: Absolutely. And it’s Wednesday, August 13, 2014 at 7:59 PM and this is the International Session. KRIS: Since you and Joseph were engaging in conversation and discussing the eating of meat versus the eating of vegetarian foodstuffs—and we should not say versus, but simply discussing the two different kinds of foodstuffs. There are many who on the one hand simply cannot fathom that one may be able to survive for any length of time without the eating of animal flesh, as if somehow or other that is the natural order of things. Since especially that they see predators, carnivorous predators kill and eat other animals. So they feel, then, that this is the natural order of things since mankind has ever so egoistically positioned himself at the top of the food chain, then of course the view is that therefore humankind is the top predator and should have free rein into the killing and eating of any and all animals. However it was not necessarily always like that. For great durations of time humankind rarely ever ate other living creatures. We say rarely. It is only with the advance of the Great Ice Age, where so much of the surface of the planet was covered in ice, did human beings make that decision to eat animals for their survival mainly out of necessity. The practice continued with the withdrawal of the massive layers of ice covering so much of your planet. Though many other groups returned to some of their ancestral customs, and cultivate the fruits of the earth. Now since the melting of those great layers or sheets of ice, the ocean levels rose significantly. A lot of previous exposed land throughout all the continents was submerged which included the submerging of many, many great coastal civilizations. Humankind lost a great amount of land that could be cultivated so there was a retreating inland. And human beings then returned to their ancestral practices of cultivating the fruits and vegetables and grains, as well as returning to the cultivating of grazing lands for cows for the milk and everything that could be derived from the milk as far more nourishing than to eat the cow that gives the milk. And there have been periods where these ancestral practices waxed and waned depending on the severity of smaller ice ages. But always a core, especially towards the more tropical regions was maintained and the practices upheld knowing that the ice sheets advance and retreat on a fairly regular basis. And this particular knowledge—how do we say—this particular knowledge of the cyclical nature of the slight tilting of the axis as well as the advancing and retreating of massive ice sheets was a knowledge that was most essential, though sometimes it became lost. But as much as possible was nurtured through the telling of ancient stories. And this knowledge was maintained through the study of the earth’s journey through the heavens, as well as maintaining or tracking the particular alignments of certain constellations, as well as far away sun planets and even other systems. Do you follow? CHUCK: Yes Kris; I understand. KRIS: Many of the ancient astronomical observatories found through archaeological research throughout the world were not built only to keep track of the equinoxes and the slight variations in the tilting of the planet in conjunction with other planets. But there was an ancient science that had been able to successfully track how certain planetary and celestial alignments can warn of upcoming advancements of ice sheets. Even though it might take hundreds if not thousands of years, at least hundreds and hundreds of years for these things to manifest, still the populations needed some warning often to retreat from areas that would be most affected thereby heading south. And when the ice sheets retreated, they would go back up north in a cyclical migratory fashion. Do you follow that? CHUCK: I do, Kris, and I can’t help but wonder, what was the approximate duration of that cycle? How frequently do those ice sheets come down? KRIS: There are great ice ages and then lesser ice ages. CHUCK: Mmmhmm. KRIS: The last great ice age that your world has experienced was between ten to fourteen thousand years ago. CHUCK: Mmmhmm. KRIS: In the interim, you have undergone smaller and even mini-ice ages. CHUCK: So... KRIS: These can be found historically... CHUCK: Sure. KRIS: ...in your particular time frame of the last three thousand years. CHUCK: So Joseph’s physical location—we’ll call it that—on the planet, it’s not quite as far north as ours, but we’re kind of close. Is there anything happening within our lifespan that will cool things down a little bit for us? KRIS: You are in the very, very preliminary stages of we shall simply say a lesser ice age, which can still bring a great amount of disruption to your societies and cultures, forcing many to abandon more northerly regions. CHUCK: Sure. KRIS: But this may take a great amount of time still. CHUCK: Several hundred years? KRIS: At least that. CHUCK: Yeah. Okay. KRIS: Everything functions on your planetary system, on your planet’s system, within cycles. And the ancients knew of these things. They even built particular structures, mostly around the equatorial region that give off very specific wavelengths of electromagnetic pulses in order to try to minimize shifting of the axis, as well as trying to prevent massive solar outbursts—and we say massive as in an understatement. There are waves of solar flares that over the last hundred years or more have knocked out different kinds of communication devices. There are those that have even knocked out satellite systems temporarily, disrupted telecommunications on your planet. There can be some that can throw you back decades, if not hundreds of years, so strong would the pulses be. And then there are, you could call them the grandfathers of solar flares—such massive eruptions that can damage, severely damage upper layers that we would call the magnetosphere that helps keep at bay so much solar energy—if some of that managed to get in, then it would adversely irradiate a great deal of life on Earth, including vegetation, which would put humanity in a very difficult situation if much of the seeds are irradiated in this way, the fruits and vegetables would wither and they would not be able to produce enough foodstuffs from seed. And the place to go would be the waters, to be in the waters, but that presents its own sets of dangers and difficulties. So these particular structures that emit these ancient—and these structures have been emitting these pulses not in an attempt to communicate with some alien civilizations which may come and enslave you all as so many conspiracy theories go, but more so to help strengthen the magnetic shields of the planet and in times of extreme duress, these particular systems would help maintain a certain equilibrium in terms of the magnetic fields and energies on your planetary system so that the core of the planet, which has its own particular magnetic field is not disrupted by these greater solar flares of energy. Does that make sense to you? CHUCK: It does, Kris, and if I may, I’m going to ask a couple questions about that comment, as well. KRIS: Indeed. Now it must be understood that we are not saying this as an announcement that everyone should head for the hills, or to dive under the water; but that knowledge is deep within the recesses of the human psyche within the collective memory, and it is often the basis for collective fears of impending doomsday scenarios. Do you follow? CHUCK: Sure, absolutely. KRIS: So this in a manner of speaking is how Nataraja’s dance is interpreted. Do you understand that? Or if you like, Lord Shiva’s dance of annihilation... CHUCK: Oh, sure. KRIS: ...where so many things are dissolved, so that the process can then be renewed. CHUCK: So we’ve talked a little bit about this approximately ten thousand years of time where things are going to get fairly nice for us, spiritually speaking anyway. Now that, of course, I’m sure doesn’t preclude some bumps... KRIS: Indeed and it does not prevent other natural challenges in this way, but it does bring in that there is to be an age of greater awareness. Eventually that will give way once again and this particular age also occurs in a cyclical manner; they always do. CHUCK: Right. You’ve mentioned that, too. So, and I also know that it’s been, I don’t know, quite some time—there’s a couple of year since we’ve spoken a little bit about the potential of solar flares disrupting things in, you know, not I don’t think the damage the magnetosphere way, but, you know, something a little less than that. And so, is there...would there be astrological configurations that we would be able to recognize that would give us some heads-up about those things about to occur in, whatever, a fifty year period of time or whatever it might be? KRIS: Somehow or other we knew you would make that inquiry. CHUCK: [Laughing] Yeah! KRIS: You knew you would make that inquiry. CHUCK: Yeah, someplace... KRIS: Now because of Joseph’s almost utter lack of knowledge in these areas, we must refer instead to ancient celestial alignments that can be recreated from past knowledge. There are many of the ancient societies remains in terms of their culture that have all sorts of star charts embedded in one way or another into their murals, into their crafts, into their pottery, into their designs. Some may only look like creative works of art. CHUCK: Sure. KRIS: But they might also be clearly identified if one were to look at with specific celestial alignments and in many cultures, Venus, Sirius, the Pole Star were very prominent, so there can be an observation into the main planetary bodies that were observed through the Egyptian, through the Indian in Bharat (India), through the Mayans, through the Incas, and many other such areas. Do you follow? CHUCK: Yes, absolutely. KRIS: And going back through historical periods, recognizing how these stars have ever-so-slightly changed and modified their trajectory from the Earth’s perspective and from the ancient observatories’ perspectives in conjunction with the knowledge of when these past major, lesser and mini-ice ages occurred, you would find a correlation. Do you follow? CHUCK: I do. And would there be maybe something similar as far as, let’s say, solar flare activity might be concerned? KRIS: Indeed. CHUCK: Okay. KRIS: So they kept track of all these heavenly bodies not specifically because they wanted alien contact, even though these have occurred but not in the manner that the—how do they call them on the television? CHUCK: Oh, the X-Files, maybe? Or, I don’t know. KRIS: These kinds of things. CHUCK: Yeah. KRIS: Alien... CHUCK: You know, alien encounters, or whatever. KRIS: And so on, and the alien astronauts, or the alien scientists, and so on and so forth. CHUCK: Sure. KRIS: They all have some comment on these things. Now, there were and there will be contacts, but they are only alien in the sense that they are not specifically from your planet, but they are not alien in the sense as is usually understood. They are inter-dimensional beings. And you do not even know, yourselves, that you are inter-dimensional beings. So in some respects, the joke is on you. CHUCK: [Chuckling] Yes, that’s right. So I’m going to...something just popped into my mind and it will be a really brief tangent. You spoke—it’s been within the last several months— and in something that you said, you mentioned that—I think this is what you said, that plants had their own dimension and animals had their own dimension; so am I getting that correctly? That our dimension, the dimension we exist in, is different than the dimension that a plant exists in and the dimension that an animal exists in, but we’re able to perceive them in their dimensions. KRIS: You perceive the particular form that correlates with your notions of what these things should be. All of you are beings of energy; you are all soul. You appear in a particular manner, they appear in a particular manner, but you do not see each others natural forms. You do not see the soul, neither in yourselves, nor in others. So you exist in a very limited dimension, in that respect. It is said you live in a three-dimensional reality, but in some respects you often live in a one-dimensional reality. You cannot perceive yourselves or others as you truly are. That is why we sometimes have a cosmic chuckle when we see or hear of someone saying, be yourself. Be who you are. Just be. And it is all based upon the material sense perception and nothing else, even though there is a sense that there may be something more behind the scenes, so to speak. But usually people say, do not pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. Do not ask questions. Do not shake the curtain of reality that exists or else everyone’s preconceived notions will be smashed. CHUCK: We could use some of those preconceived notions shaken up a bit. KRIS: You do not have to tell us that, you have to tell yourselves. CHUCK: Absolutely. I was going to say even if it’s only on an individual basis, starting with myself, you know, and anybody else who has an interest. So thank you for the tangent. KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries? Roberta is very quiet. ROBERTA: Roberta’s receiving a lot of back door information this evening. CHUCK: Well, one of the things that Ive been meaning to inquire about with you for a number of months now is you mentioned several months back that the information contained in the Vedic literature is not quite as accurate as we’ve been led to believe; and you also said that the Sanskrit language, itself, kind of changing a little bit has a part in that, as well. So one of the things I was wondering is that if you could identify something that’s big enough, anything that might be a large theme in the Vedic information that would make a difference to how we would approach our relationship with Krishna, let’s say, or the Absolute, All That Is, that is large enough, let’s say altered, in the literature where it’d be worth your time to go and yeah, this has changed enough. You really want to go and look at it this way. KRIS: This might require a very large undertaking. But suffice it to say that just as is happening with many groups today, concerning the ever-so-slight and innocent enough looking changes of material here, small change of material there, under the guise of maintaining the essence of the teaching here and the teachings there. Keep that up for several hundreds of years and perhaps even a few thousand years, and something is bound to become different. CHUCK: Yes, that would be so true. One of the things I was wondering along this regard, too, is that if I’m understanding correctly, it sounds like the individual—the Soul—that we perceived as Srila Prabhupada here was very, very intimately close with Krishna. And Krishna asked, in fact, to have him come down and write books. This is my understanding, anyway. And I have a sense anyway that Krishna and Prabhupada would both know that this situation did exist, would exist, did he take any—when he published, when he originally published things, did he take that into consideration, him and Krishna, and then try to say things in a way that could still give us pretty accurate information? KRIS: As best as possible. Bhaktivedanta was—how do we say?—completely empowered by the strength of his convictions. There were no distractions, except the pillar of that strength. So there were no distractions in his consciousness. He undertook a journey to the western world to bring about an ancient science of consciousness that also enabled the individual to reconnect with the Supreme Being. We know that there are those who would object to how we have said and how we may continue saying it. We are not, and never have urged anyone to jump feet first into any organization. One should still observe and take the essence of the teachings without the organization. Do you understand the difference? CHUCK: I am totally with you there, yes. KRIS: There are many benefits to an organization. There is a sense of friendship, of family. The difficulties arise when your own discernment is discredited over that of another’s. CHUCK: Yeah, well I think that you’ve spoken quite extensively in the past about, you know, each of us has a unique journey that we’re undertaking. And of course we all have the advantage of having Paramatma (Super soul) helping us, you helping us, our own whole Self helping us, who knows who else? And so yeah, to be able to actually listen to that and not necessarily do it like somebody else I think is a very important thing. KRIS: Indeed. Though some groups and organizations might take offense at such a notion, one can still connect to the Supreme Being through there own heart. And there is nothing wrong with that. CHUCK: Yeah, one of the things that I think about in that regard is that—and of course Srila Prabhupada, you know, came to the West to help us in that regard—but, you know, there are many individuals that are part of that disciplic succession that were never part of ISKCON as an organization and are—and other individuals as well that have that information. And all those individuals can share that information. KRIS: Indeed. There were challenges when Bhaktivedanta crossed the ocean. It is recorded that he had two heart attacks. In some places you read now that he had several heart attacks, he crisscrossed the world twenty times and already there are so many distortions. Suffice it to say that he has demonstrated that if you eliminate distractions from your convictions, then you can indeed be a powerful force of change. Not just for small groups, or hundreds of people, but for thousands upon thousands of people worldwide. And this has been demonstrated by many. Do you understand? CHUCK: I do. So, the information as it’s presented in the Vedas, then, is it in this universe and I guess even more specifically on our planet presented the way that it was because of the belief systems that we carry, the way the ego structure is—I’ll just use the word—maybe formed for us, things of that nature? KRIS: It is delivered in such a fashion that your species might actually be able to understand the eternal truth of the nature of the soul. Your species, though there have been many great periods of peace, have also had great periods of war mongering or war faring, destruction. Your species has a tendency to forget its connection with its source. The cyclical manner of creativity then destruction on a natural geographical scale, such as the cycles of various greater, lesser and mini-ice ages and other natural calamities predispose your species to tend to revert into a [unclear] state rather quickly. So there are influxes of births when your societies experience periods of calm and reasonable peacefulness, so that as many individuals as possible have the opportunity for enlightenment, for reaching a plateau of consciousness that enables them to communicate with Source, with All That Is. So these particular works retain a great amount of ancestral memory and knowledge formed into prose in that manner so that once it is more widely read, then your species may have a tendency to reawaken. Does that make sense to you? CHUCK: Yes, it does. Hmmm. And, so then I’m—I guess—guessing at this time that we’re in one of those periods where the feeling is that things have gotten calm enough where we can have some of this information shared with us again. KRIS: In that you are correct. The recognition that peace cannot be had through war, but only through peaceful means is becoming more recognized. Thus individuals are more or less demanding that this become the state wherein others live in. The great war in India where so many, if not a great majority of legitimate rulers from around the world participated and perished, bring about the breaking down or the loss of intelligent rulers, kings, is another reminder that though sometimes there is an actual need to engage in such battles basically to clean the planet, it can also have unforeseen repercussions, wherein in this case the great majority of world rulers were killed and never returned to their respective kingdoms; and their kingdoms were then taken over by those without any abilities to rule, thus causing a great breakdown. Do you follow? CHUCK: Yes, absolutely. I think that’s something you mentioned a little bit before, too. KRIS: So the Vedas at their core will always have that essential message. Over time, over many thousands or more years, it will eventually break down. And then, at its worst point, when nature itself, or herself seems to break down with the oncoming sheets of ice, other calamities, disasters and so on, there will come other enlightened beings, many of them quite likely inter-dimensional beings, not unlike what Seth described as Speakers. Those that come and bring the seeds of knowledge and civilization to those who have lost it. CHUCK: So are you referring to an event that will occur after what we call Kali Yuga, or something that maybe happens not necessarily in that time frame? KRIS: At the end. The end period of what is called the Kali Yuga. CHUCK: Okay, thank you. KRIS: Does Roberta wish to add anything? ROBERTA: In an International Session of maybe two years ago, you shared a lot of information about what would happen during the worst parts of Kali Yuga and you discussed that there are individuals who exist on the earth planet who are very, very ancient and who carry with them knowledge of...well, a lot of knowledge, let’s put it that way [chuckling]. KRIS: Indeed. ROBERTA: And you shared that these individuals would go underground during the worst portion of the Kali Yuga. Im wondering what kind of a role they might have with these other beings, these inter-dimensional beings in the reseeding of civilization. KRIS: Some of them actually act as spokespersons. They would be then the mouthpieces for inter-dimensional beings who do not wish to become physical. ROBERTA: Ah, I see. KRIS: Or do not wish to appear in your world. They would transmit that information, not unlike something that is occurring between Joseph and ourselves in this very instant. ROBERTA: Yes. KRIS: So they would share that knowledge within select groups, who would then go and share that knowledge with other groups, and then the groups become larger and larger and the knowledge disseminates. This may take hundreds, if not thousands of years, but it gets done. And there are those who only operate within a very specific set of layers of dream frequencies where knowledge is imparted to those who may have an impact upon their communities or even greater at large communities. ROBERTA: Which leads me to my next question. As I am becoming more and more aware during dream time, that there is a lot of information coming in that I’m not quite able to make sense of. But it seems to hold great importance and I’m wondering if... Well, I don’t even know how to ask the question... What you’re talking about tonight seems to be triggering in me a resonance with a lot of the dream activity I’ve been having lately and I’m wondering if there is indeed a correlation. KRIS: There are many other people in your world in the same situation. They may perceive inklings of such exchanges at those deep layers that may not have the ability, nor would you have the ability to transport that knowledge specifically in logical, intellectual structures because it is transmitted through deep layers of emotional channels. And the symbolism would not simply come up in the state between sleeping and wakefulness, but you might still perceive or have an impression that something deep and powerful has occurred. And there are many people like this presently in the world. Does it mean that they have to become the saviors? Indeed not. But if they make the space and take the time, they might find that their writings are quite interesting, specifically in terms of what you call Sci-Fi. Little stories and anecdotes told in such a fashion that get people to think, to ponder, to be excited about something they do not yet know about. Do you follow? ROBERTA: I do indeed! Thank you very much. KRIS: So does that mean you need to take courses in how to write? No. ROBERTA: No. KRIS: But it could mean that once in a while you sense an inspiration come your way like a shooting star in a night sky and you take pen and paper and simply write something down and see what unfolds as you go along. ROBERTA: Thank you. KRIS: Indeed. Now we will return Joseph to your lovely selves, inter-dimensional or not, and we thank you for your consideration, or should we say considerable consideration? ROBERTA: [laughing] Thank you Kris. CHUCK: Thank you very much Kris. SESSION ENDS (8:52 PM)
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