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To You who Say We uphold Torah/Covenant - the uncompromising/unchanging Word of YHWH – Sounds Great; even Noble. But; that is Not what is happening in far too many of the majority of most cases; Messianic (et al.) and Jewish (et al.). 1st thing right off the top – there is everything right with searching out the Hebrew Roots of our Faith and position in Yahshua. But – I for one; am not about to give up a bunch of Church error; only to embrace a bunch of Jewish error. Consider; The wearing of Kippas - Ex 28:40 ¶ And for Aarons sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty. 04021 hebgm migba`ah, mig-baw-aw from the same as 1389; a cap (as *hemispherical*):--bonnet. Kippas the *hemispherical* cap from Torah was to Aarons sons not even to all Levites – Therefore for the Jews (et al.) of the House of Judah (3 Tribes including the Gentile Messianic Jewish wanna-bees respective) to all wear Kippas is either ignored or unstudied error and is out of order and not keeping or obeying Torah. The 613 Laws The 613 Laws are upheld by Orthodox, Rabbinic & Messianic (et al.) alike; yet they are a mix all the same. The 613 Lores are just that; did you ever bother to read them? Most of them are 2 and 4 way splits of an in common same verse. They are a contrive Rabbinic imagination concoction - mixed with some truth; want proof? Law #195 and #196 – Maimonides 613 Law list #195 Not to eat mixtures of milk and meat cooked together — Ex.23:19 #196 Not to cook meat and milk together — Ex.34:26 Ex.23:19 & Ex.34:26 are identically word for word the same verse - Ex.23:19 & Ex.34:26 “The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of YHWH thy Elohim. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mothers milk.” Compared to; Gen.18:8 And he took *butter, and milk, and the calf* which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, *and they did eat*. Note: Did you catch that? Butter, Milk and Beef ? Together ? – Didnt Abraham have a handy 613 law list?This is one of many anomalies in the Rabbinic 613 lores. (Law #195 and #196) - {Butter itself is a Milk byproduct} Gen.18:8 “And he took butter, and milk, and the calf ” is not the same as “Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his (specific) **mothers** milk”. Ex. 23:19 - is Melchizedek Book of the Covenant Ex.19:5-24:8-11; That Remains 2Cor.3:11. A calf cooked in its (specific) mothers milk is not the same as Gen.18:8, #195 or #196. Circumcision - In all cases; Messianic (et al.) and Jewish (et al.) who circumcise today after Jos.5:2 think they are entering the covenant and being obedient to Gen.17 (Melkizedeq) – they are not; they are being obedient to Jos.5:2 (Levitical). Jos 5:2 At that time YHWH said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the *second time*. Jos.5:5 “Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had *not* circumcised.” The issue is; There is no mention in Torah that the Israelites every stopped circumcision; let alone at Exodus 32. The 40yr lapse of circumcision comes into play at Exodus 32 by way of Jos.5:5 - This verse in Joshua indicates that at some point pursuant to leaving Egypt all the males were circumcised. The question is – What event between initially leaving Egypt at Ex.12 and the witness of Jos.5:5 would cause the Israelites to stop circumcising all their males? Let alone babies on the 8th day for the next 40+yrs? The compelling answer is the Golden Calf covenant-breach of Ex.32 (Rom.2:25). They were only 3 months out of Egypt (Ex.19:1) and had just vowed to keep the Covenant at Ex.24:7-8 – which they broke (Jer.31:32) some 40 days later (a total of 4+months). The beginning point of their 40 plus years wilderness wandering. After the covenant break they knew there was no longer any point. Rom.2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. - (The very Ex.32 point) So; from Ex.32 to the rest of Torah (1st 5 Books of Moses) into Jos.5:2 is proof that the Gen.17 Melkizedeq physical circumcision and with it the covenants that it was the entrance token/sign for were broken. Forever separated by the 40yr lapse of circumcision -And- the need for the Jos.5:2 2nd Command carried out under the Levitical priesthood (Heb.7:11-12). Note; the Melkizedeq Gen.12 everlasting oath of YHWH is still in force – not dependent on man or circumcision. Day of Atonement Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation to you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto YHWH. Clearly no sacrifice/offering; by fire - is involved in modern Atonement proceedings – a clear Torah commandment break / instruction secession – You cannot pick and choose – (itself an enacted yet denied CHANGE!). In addition – most modern Atonement/Yom Kippur observances include the addition of the Kol Nidre; a prayer specifically to dis-avow vows – in opposition to Torah (Num.30:2) specifically forbidden by Torah (Dt.4:2). YHWH/Yahweh Case in point; Most Rabbinic, Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, etc. Hebrew Roots, Messianic Jews/Israel, etc. alike recite the Shama of Dt.6:4 and the Aaronic Blessing of Num.6 saying Adonai Eloheynu – Adonai, Adonai; this and that Adonai. The problem is Moses did not write Adonai Eloheynu at Dt.6:4; he wrote YHWH Elohim. Num.6:27 uses the dynamic of Hebrew literature; restating to stress the point “ ...they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them”; That “Name” occurring four times (Num.6:22-27) is Yahweh. The third commandment Ex.20:7 of the Book of the Covenant (Ex.19:5-24:8) suffers similar abuse. So; believer you decide are we learning the words of Moses or replacements of the Rabbis? Point - Are we truly being blessed by the disobedient as they disobey? However you feel about Nehemia Gordon; he is correct of this assessment - the Rabbis have turned what is supposed to be the Aaronic Blessing into an “Ironic blessing”. Very briefly the problem is this; adonai is a legitimate Hebrew word, it does occur in scripture some 460 times. Near something upward to 1/3rd of those references refer to men; example – Abraham is called adonai (Gen.23:6). The tetragrammaton YHWH (Yahweh) occurs at or over 7,000 times. Do you see the problem? They (the Pharisaic / Rabbis) have taken the 5% to cover up the 95% - taking the legitimate (adonai) and using it illegitimately. Like it or not, this is an example of twisting the Scripture; even worse using Scripture to cover and obscure Scripture. Further to manipulate and alter Scripture under the most astir and noble of pretense – Protecting His Name; - the problem is Yahweh never asks for His Name to be hidden from His people. Quite the contrary; He commands that His Name Yahweh be placed on His people – That we use His name with respect & caution, but that does not include non-use - Thank you mister Rabbi, Pastor, Minister, Reverend, Assembly leader, etc. sir. Gen.49:10 Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; … Until is the awareness of impeding change that must also be fulfilled – that is flatly denied by the Jews (even though they have Rabbi Priests usurping the Levites; itself an un-lawful/un-scriptural change) – They deny that Messiah has come; if He has not come He has changed nothing – including the fact of Levite Priesthood authority which they (the Jews) simply disregard in favor of having Rabbis. On the other hand – Most Messianics (et al.) deny this change just the same. Oh; Yahshua did come -but- most Messianic say He changed nothing. Both exhibit a Levitical Priesthood mindset. What they imagine and affirm is one thing – what they do and apply is quite another (Mt.23:2-3). Tzitzits Tzitzits (Num.15:38) were to remind and attest to what? Commandment Keeping. Again most dont realize and have never considered that tzitzits by the witness of Jos.5:5 were given at Num.15:38 to an uncircumcising crowd of a large and growing uncircumcised male population. I realize the problems this presents; But there it is. Then there is the instruction for tzitzits/fringes Num.15:38 and Deut.22:12 – this does not include Rabbinic style Knots, Wraps, number of Knots, number of Wraps, with special (or othrwise) various contrived meanings - that have been added. Deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of YHWH your Elohim which I command you. Thats Not my own opinion - I like you did not write this - I have chosen to believe what it says exactly the way it says it - You and others are free to do otherwise and receive your reward (Isa 3:11, Isa 5:23). There are those that raise the question about Yahshua wearing tzitzits (Num.15:38); did He or didnt He? I would have to agree, with little doubt that He did; perfectly not breaking any law. For He (Yahshua) was born as one under the (Levitical) law (Lk.2:27/Gal.4:4). The same post Melchizedek Covenant breach (Ex.32) Levitical law (Heb.7:11) that made Him (Yahshua) ineligible to ever be a Levitical priest (Heb.7:14). Includes the same Levitical circumcision Jos.5:2 law. Yet the law; that (Levitical) law had to change (Heb.7:12/Gen.49:10) for Yahshua to become the Melchizedek High Priest. The same law making Him (Yahshua) ineligible to be a Levitical priest also makes the majority of us ineligible to be a Levitical priest; for the same reason; Yahshua as are most of us are not from the tribe of Levi. Yet we are being called as priests into the Melchizedek Priesthood (Isa.61:6/1Pt.2:9); this would not be possible unless the law did change (Heb.7:12) as prophesied (Gen.49:10). Most just simply point to such scriptures such as; Jos 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. And have no realization that this as well as other scripture between Ex.32:10 and Jos.5:2 by the witness of Jos.5:5 were given to an increasingly and later a mostly – near total uncircumcised crowd. ... that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein... This was given to a specific post Covenant breach Israelite group – Today you cannot banner such insisting nothing has changed and then not do it? Exactly as stated - by Jms 2:10 every bit of it - for that is two-faced hypocrisy. Jms 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. Like - Do you have a fence on your roof? Do you animal sacrifice? BY fire? Do you drink, grain, fat, flour, etc. sacrifice? Do you go to your local Levite Priest to find answers too hard for you? Do you animal sacrifice morning and evening for Shabbat? - Etc. You know you dont! To defend and say I keep the law - You cant pick & choose – thats the point! If you say well there is no Temple – we cant. ??? - Where exactly is that proviso in Torah? Do you wear kippas meant for Aarons Sons? Do you defer to Rabbis over Torah? Do you say Adonai instead of YHWH that Moses wrote? Do you recite prayers ascribing YHWH commanded this or that? When He did not. Do you keep Jewish Feastdays – the way that Jews describe them? Over Yahs Feastdays the way that Yahs Torah describes them? - Etc. Most do – Not even considering that these (and more) are all additions prohibited by Dt.4:2 & 12:32 Ezk 20:24 Because they (Ex.32) had not executed my (Melkizedeq) judgments, but had despised my (Melkizedeq) statutes, and had polluted my (Melkizedeq) sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers idols. Ezk 20:25 Wherefore I gave them *also* (Levitical) statutes that were not good, and (Levitical) judgments whereby they should not live; Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the (Levitical) law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed (from Levitical back to Melkizedeq), there is made of necessity a *change* also of the law (from Levitical law back to Melkizedeq law). Gal 2:21 ... for if righteousness comes through the (Levitical) law, then Messiah died in vain. Or you can repent of I keep the (Levitical) law realizing that you cant; agree and accept that until did mean change through Yahshua Messiah and with that back to the Melkizedeq law of Torah without the not good additions. PS - The Melkizedeq law of Torah - Basically found from Gen.1:1 to Ex.24:11 (this is Torah too) – without the not good Levitical additions. This by no means is a complete list - If you want to be a berean (Acts 17:11) and study this out - Youll want to get my books – The Covenants of Promise and Back to the Melchizedek Future Details available at https://facebook/groups/TTWWRR/ - Or - torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress/
Posted on: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 05:20:04 +0000

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